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Posted on 10/5/09 at 8:14 pm to
Posted by C
Houston
Member since Dec 2007
28158 posts
Posted on 10/5/09 at 8:14 pm to
At what financial point should someone look into getting a financial advisor and/or accountant?
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
62354 posts
Posted on 10/5/09 at 8:45 pm to
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This statement is wrong some advisor/firms due take a fiduciary duty to their client and get it in writing. This is a "must approach" to begin narrowing down who to work with


You misunderstood the statement. A broker/dealer does not have the same fiduciay duties to a client that an investment adviser does. This is actually a proposal in the Obama Administration's proposed legislation regarding financial industry regulatory reform (i.e., bringing broker fiduciary duties in line with adviser fiduciary duties).

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Also, most advisor's can't place trades discretionary (so they would need your confirmation upon trade)...


Well, that would depend upon the terms of the advisory contract that they signed with the adviser, right? You can have a discretionary or non-discretionary account.
This post was edited on 10/5/09 at 8:46 pm
Posted by Zilla
Member since Jul 2005
10643 posts
Posted on 10/5/09 at 10:12 pm to
amsterdam....do you just post here to boost your ego/justify yourself ? you sound like a salesman
Posted by ManiaTiger
Houston
Member since Jul 2009
97 posts
Posted on 10/5/09 at 11:03 pm to
Mo

Yes, it depends on the contract of course...but notice I said most accounts are set up discretionary

Posted by amsterdam
In His Word
Member since Jul 2008
1036 posts
Posted on 10/6/09 at 8:10 am to
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amsterdam....do you just post here to boost your ego/justify yourself ? you sound like a salesman


What a great question. I post on here for a number of reasons:

1. To help out a fellow poster with something like in my first post to Gumbo on how he can recoup some market loss.

2. To defend my profession from an unfair attack from the likes of your boy lsufan, who from his comment shows how very little he knows about my profession.

3. To engage in a discussion on financial topics with posters who have something worthwhile to discuss(that excludes you)

Fwiw, I do view myself as a salesman. I sale financial advice for a fee. In fact I would like you to name one business where your not selling something whether it be yourself, a service, or a product.

Also, I do not come on a message board for justification. I get that every time I add a new client...and business is good
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
133515 posts
Posted on 10/6/09 at 8:15 am to
quote:

do you just post here to boost your ego/justify yourself ?
Careful, Z....keeping in mind your MVIS and other stock recommedations you've made. In other words, pot = kettle.

quote:

you sound like a salesman
What is wrong with being a salesman? I bet every one of those companies whose stock you've pumped have a lot of salesman working for them trying to get your stock prices up. Right?

Posted by Poodlebrain
Way Right of Rex
Member since Jan 2004
19860 posts
Posted on 10/6/09 at 9:33 am to
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At what financial point should someone look into getting a financial advisor and/or accountant?

Excellent question. If a service provider is not meeting your expectations it is time to look for a new service provider.

Some professions are easier to benchmark than others. It is easier to tell if your financial advisor is successfully managing your affairs than your tax accountant. The key where objective criteria are difficult to establish is communication.

As part of the tax return preparation process I routinely write transmittal letters to my clients explaining key decisions regarding how items are reported and the relative benefits of the reporting method used. Many of the benefits are simply deferrals of tax so I am providing an annual update of the benefits to date and the expected net benefit at the end of the deferral. By this method I know I address the issues that are important to each client, and I give then the opportunity to determine whether, or not, I am meeting their expectations.
Posted by Zilla
Member since Jul 2005
10643 posts
Posted on 10/6/09 at 11:27 am to
quote:

What a great question. I post on here for a number of reasons:

1. To help out a fellow poster with something like in my first post to Gumbo on how he can recoup some market loss.

2. To defend my profession from an unfair attack from the likes of your boy lsufan, who from his comment shows how very little he knows about my profession.

3. To engage in a discussion on financial topics with posters who have something worthwhile to discuss(that excludes you)

Fwiw, I do view myself as a salesman. I sale financial advice for a fee. In fact I would like you to name one business where your not selling something whether it be yourself, a service, or a product.

Also, I do not come on a message board for justification. I get that every time I add a new client...and business is good


Compliments on your new method of responding to an attack .... well done ... i was just giving you a hard time and actually do appreciate your responses !!!
Posted by Zilla
Member since Jul 2005
10643 posts
Posted on 10/6/09 at 11:28 am to
point taken, but i don't

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pump
This post was edited on 10/6/09 at 11:29 am
Posted by C
Houston
Member since Dec 2007
28158 posts
Posted on 10/6/09 at 3:58 pm to
quote:

If a service provider is not meeting your expectations it is time to look for a new service provider.


I'm asking from the standpoint of having no service provider. At what point does it make sense economically for me to get an accountant and/or a financial advisor?
Posted by Poodlebrain
Way Right of Rex
Member since Jan 2004
19860 posts
Posted on 10/6/09 at 5:09 pm to
As far as a tax accountant goes you should use a cost benefit analysis. There are two different approaches to the cost benefit analysis that must be considered as well. The first is the easy one, can the accountant save me money? Will the reduction in taxes from his professional knowledge exceed the cost of his services? If yes, then it is a no breiner.

The second approach requires you to determine how much your leisure time is worth to you. You have to use your leisure time to prepare your own tax return. How much of your leisure time is dependent on the complexity of your financial affairs, your organization/record keeping, your knowledge of tax fundamentals and your familiarity with the tax preparation software package you use. (I'm assuming very few people fill out returns by hand anymore.) Is the value of the leisure time it will take you to prepare the return more than the cost of an accountant, or other professional preparer? If so, then hiring a professional is the right choice.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112623 posts
Posted on 10/8/09 at 1:11 am to
quote:

. And we're not talking about huge amounts of money (under $10,000), but in 6 months, we may have missed out on that money growing by anywhere from 10-30%.


Damn.

Where does one invest and get 10-30 returns in 6 months?

I'm impressed.
Posted by C
Houston
Member since Dec 2007
28158 posts
Posted on 10/8/09 at 1:17 am to
quote:

Where does one invest and get 10-30 returns in 6 months?


in almost anything. Have you not been paying any attention to the stock market since march?
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112623 posts
Posted on 10/8/09 at 11:28 pm to
quote:

in almost anything. Have you not been paying any attention to the stock market since march?


Well I'm not exactly a stock market guru, but 30% returns in 6 months?

Like I said, that's impressive.
Posted by C
Houston
Member since Dec 2007
28158 posts
Posted on 10/8/09 at 11:33 pm to
quote:

but 30% returns in 6 months?


The DOW is up over 50% from its lows, so you basically could have dropped money in anything and gotten 30%.
Posted by Teacher
Member since Sep 2006
3060 posts
Posted on 10/9/09 at 10:50 am to
You don't get monthly or quarterly reports? Say good by to him.
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