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Fed balance sheet - a question

Posted on 8/16/10 at 3:43 pm
Posted by RaysGoodLiquor
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Posted on 8/16/10 at 3:43 pm
What happens if the fed balance sheet goes negative?
Posted by TheHiddenFlask
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Posted on 8/16/10 at 4:13 pm to
They get put at the front of the bailout line?
Posted by LSURussian
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Posted on 8/16/10 at 4:19 pm to
quote:

What happens if the fed balance sheet goes negative?
What part of the balance sheet goes negative?
Posted by RaysGoodLiquor
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Posted on 8/16/10 at 4:39 pm to
total assets minus total liabilities
Posted by LSURussian
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Posted on 8/16/10 at 5:01 pm to
So, negative capital, not "negative balance sheet," right?
Posted by RaysGoodLiquor
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Posted on 8/16/10 at 5:34 pm to
I'm asking what would happen if the fed took a net loss.
This post was edited on 8/16/10 at 5:35 pm
Posted by kfizzle85
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Posted on 8/16/10 at 5:39 pm to
They'd print more money and/or get an injection from the Treasury.
This post was edited on 8/16/10 at 5:40 pm
Posted by foshizzle
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Posted on 8/16/10 at 6:21 pm to
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I'm asking what would happen if the fed took a net loss.


Governments are generally expected to lose money or at least not earn very much - they are nonprofits by design and use accounting rules similar to rules for nonprofits.

If a government makes a consistent profit, then taxes/fees are too high.

Of course, if they lose too much there's a limit, but generally speaking governments at all levels aren't expected to make a lot of money.
Posted by Poodlebrain
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Posted on 8/16/10 at 6:51 pm to
Do you mean the Federal Reserve Bank, or the federal government? The federal government does not have a balance sheet. There are no assets on the books of the government. The Capital, White House, Yellowstone, Yosemite, and every other piece of federal property have zero value from an accounting stand point.
Posted by LSURussian
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Posted on 8/16/10 at 7:03 pm to
quote:

I'm asking what would happen if the fed took a net loss.

So, you're not really asking about the Fed's balance sheet but about the Fed's income statement????




Are you "Rivers"???
Posted by RaysGoodLiquor
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Posted on 8/16/10 at 7:27 pm to
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Do you mean the Federal Reserve Bank, or the federal government? The federal government does not have a balance sheet. There are no assets on the books of the government. The Capital, White House, Yellowstone, Yosemite, and every other piece of federal property have zero value from an accounting stand point.


The Federal Reserve Bank System - what happens if, say, the value of the mortgage assets they've purchased declines a lot and they wind up with a negative net worth?
Posted by LSURussian
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Posted on 8/16/10 at 8:02 pm to
quote:

what happens if, say, the value of the mortgage assets they've purchased declines a lot and they wind up with a negative net worth?

quote:

I'm asking what would happen if the fed took a net loss.

Do you realize these are two vastly different scenarios?
Posted by RaysGoodLiquor
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Posted on 8/16/10 at 8:09 pm to
Please explain what happens if the assets the fed has (treasuries, mortgages,etc) are no longer sufficient to back the liabilities it has issued (dollars).
This post was edited on 8/16/10 at 8:17 pm
Posted by LSURussian
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Posted on 8/16/10 at 8:20 pm to
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Please explain what happens if the assets the fed has (treasuries, mortgages,etc) are no longer sufficient to back the liabilities it has issued (dollars).

Nothing.
Posted by RaysGoodLiquor
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Posted on 8/16/10 at 8:41 pm to
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Nothing.




Why not?
Posted by LSURussian
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Posted on 8/16/10 at 8:52 pm to
quote:

Nothing.



Why not?
Because it doesn't matter. It's all accounting entries. The dollar is not based on accounting entries. It's based on confidence and on what people accept it's worth.

What do YOU think would happen?
Posted by RaysGoodLiquor
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Posted on 8/16/10 at 10:42 pm to
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Because it doesn't matter. It's all accounting entries. The dollar is not based on accounting entries. It's based on confidence and on what people accept it's worth.



The failure of the assets backing the dollar won't change people's confidence in the dollar?
Posted by LSURussian
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Posted on 8/17/10 at 5:50 am to
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The failure of the assets backing the dollar won't change people's confidence in the dollar?


What assets "backing the dollar" are you referring to? There are no assets "backing the dollar" and there hasn't been since the U.S. went off the gold standard.

ETA: You didn't answer my question above: "What do YOU think would happen?"
This post was edited on 8/17/10 at 6:40 am
Posted by RaysGoodLiquor
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Posted on 8/17/10 at 10:58 am to
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What assets "backing the dollar" are you referring to?


All of the treasury obligations, mortgages, etc. that the Fed buys in exchange for newly issued dollars.

Posted by Interception
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Posted on 8/17/10 at 11:04 am to
What would happen?

Int. Rates would eventually rise
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