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re: Employer Offering Roth 401K
Posted on 7/15/23 at 8:39 am to JusTrollin
Posted on 7/15/23 at 8:39 am to JusTrollin
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That would mean I’m contributing more to retirement than a traditional right?
Effectively, yes. Side by side, you wind up with the exact same amount when you retire if you max both, but you pay no taxes on it when you take it out. So, you wind up with a bigger after tax retirement nest egg out of the same bucket.
Now, the counter to the argument is you have more money in your pocket today due to the tax advantage on the traditional. So, there is another parallel stream of investment income that could come from that tax savings. What you do with that is another discussion.
Posted on 7/18/23 at 9:28 am to Tifway419
I split my contributions in both, with the thinking that I’d pull from my Roth in years where I make big purchases and pull more Roth money in December to fund living expenses for the following year. The next year, I’ll only pull traditional money to remain in the lower tax brackets.
Am I thinking of this the correct way?
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More to it than that. It depends on your income each year when pulling out money. Pull from Roth in years you are trying to stay out of the tax brackets that have the larger jumps. The tax brackets are not evenly formed. Some have 10% jumps between rates and some have 2% jumps.
2023 Federal Income Tax Brackets Married Couples Filing Jointly
Tax Rate For Married Individuals Filing Joint Returns
10% $0 to $22,000
12% $22,000 to $89,450
22% $89,450 to $190,750
24% $190,750 to $364,200
32% $364,200 to $462,50
35% $462,500 to $693,750
37% $693,750 or more
You should try to keep money out of the ranges where the taxable jumps the most, which is from 24% to 32%, and from 12% to 22%. So, when income gets above $364k, it is taxed at 32% instead of 24%. Although it is only the marginal amount above $364k and not the entire amount.
Since Roth money was already taxed when you put it in, you only owe capital gains on that income, and not the amount you contributed. The traditional were not taxed when you put it in, and now have federal and state tax owed when you withdraw. This tax rate is generally higher than the capital gains rate, which is either 15 or 20%. But the gains on your Roth money could be significantly more than your gains from your traditional depending on how you invested into each, so it can be complicated. The best way to know where to pull money from is to plug in scenarios into tax software to compare each.
Am I thinking of this the correct way?
______________________
More to it than that. It depends on your income each year when pulling out money. Pull from Roth in years you are trying to stay out of the tax brackets that have the larger jumps. The tax brackets are not evenly formed. Some have 10% jumps between rates and some have 2% jumps.
2023 Federal Income Tax Brackets Married Couples Filing Jointly
Tax Rate For Married Individuals Filing Joint Returns
10% $0 to $22,000
12% $22,000 to $89,450
22% $89,450 to $190,750
24% $190,750 to $364,200
32% $364,200 to $462,50
35% $462,500 to $693,750
37% $693,750 or more
You should try to keep money out of the ranges where the taxable jumps the most, which is from 24% to 32%, and from 12% to 22%. So, when income gets above $364k, it is taxed at 32% instead of 24%. Although it is only the marginal amount above $364k and not the entire amount.
Since Roth money was already taxed when you put it in, you only owe capital gains on that income, and not the amount you contributed. The traditional were not taxed when you put it in, and now have federal and state tax owed when you withdraw. This tax rate is generally higher than the capital gains rate, which is either 15 or 20%. But the gains on your Roth money could be significantly more than your gains from your traditional depending on how you invested into each, so it can be complicated. The best way to know where to pull money from is to plug in scenarios into tax software to compare each.
Posted on 7/18/23 at 9:30 am to KWL85
I the thought you did not ow capital gains tax on Roth? Is it different for a 401K Roth?
Posted on 7/18/23 at 9:48 am to lighter345
He is wrong on the capital gains
Posted on 7/18/23 at 10:26 am to KWL85
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Since Roth money was already taxed when you put it in, you only owe capital gains on that income, and not the amount you contributed.
…no.
Posted on 7/18/23 at 11:35 am to KWL85
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you only owe capital gains on that income
Posted on 7/19/23 at 7:25 am to KWL85
Mis-spoke on saying you pay tax on Roth income. Thanks to those that pointed this out. I guess that was a brain fart.
Posted on 7/19/23 at 8:08 am to JusTrollin
I am currently maxing my Roth 401K because it makes financial sense for me to do so now. My wife has 2 years left of her surgical residency and then I will likely have to reevaluate my contributions.
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