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re: Do you remember the infamous "Flash Crash" that happened almost 15 years ago?

Posted on 4/25/25 at 9:40 am to
Posted by The Scofflaw
Metairie, LA
Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 4/25/25 at 9:40 am to
Listen to the live commentary, it's wild.


I usually go to bed with it playing the background.

Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
130721 posts
Posted on 4/25/25 at 10:01 am to
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Listen to the live commentary, it's wild.
Damn! I've never heard that clip. That is intense! The guy made it sound like he was witnessing the end of the world.

On Monday, October 19, 1987 I was sitting at my desk with a Bloomberg terminal on it monitoring the stock and bond markets during that infamous crash (DJ30 down -22.6% in one day).

At one point there were ZERO bids for IBM. That was back when IBM was THE tech stock that every equity manager wanted to own.

Zero bids meant, technically, IBM had a market cap of $0.00.

For me, that day really was the only time I ever thought, "This is it. Life as we know it is over. Stick a fork in us..."
Posted by The Scofflaw
Metairie, LA
Member since Sep 2014
1490 posts
Posted on 4/25/25 at 12:29 pm to
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Zero bids meant, technically, IBM had a market cap of $0.00.



This reminds me of one the market wizards book (I forget which one), but he recalls starting out during this time period and during that crash everyone was panicking as you said. He mentioned befuddled to his colleague that X ticker was showing bid price at $Y on his teletron, when they said no bids. And his colleague told him "Sell it to your computer then!"
This post was edited on 4/25/25 at 12:30 pm
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
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Posted on 4/25/25 at 6:08 pm to
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At one point there were ZERO bids for IBM. That was back when IBM was THE tech stock that every equity manager wanted to own.

So most of those transactions were simply erased?
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
130721 posts
Posted on 4/25/25 at 7:22 pm to
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So most of those transactions were simply erased?
I don't remember there being any large reversal of trades. Of course, that was way before the internet where we could search for such information immediately.

Back then timely news, other than a Bloomberg feed over an analog line displaying on a green screen with slow moving, greener alpha-numeric characters, was getting the Wall Street Journal delivered the next day.

I don't know if you remember about Alan Greenspan's 10/19/1987 story as was described in the book about Greenspan called Maestro.

Greenspan, then the Fed Chairman, left Washington, DC early that Monday afternoon to fly to Dallas to give a speech.

When he left DC the DJ30 Index was down about 100 points which was, as I recall, about -4.5% percent, a pretty drastic drop itself.

Without Blackberries or other personal communication devices Greenspan was out of touch with what the market was doing during the 2-3 hour flight. (Sounds silly now that such a thing was possible just those few short years ago.)

His plane landed in Dallas just after 3 PM Central time so just after the NY markets closed.

When Greenspan saw the Dallas Fed President in the terminal who was meeting him, Greenspan's first words to him were, "How did the market close?"

The Dallas Fed President replied, "The Dow was down five oh eight."

Greenspan said, "Oh, that's a relief, down just 5.08 points!" He was thinking there had been a nice recovery in the market in the afternoon.

"Uh, no, Mr. Chairman...down five HUNDRED and eight points, or -22%."

Greenspan got to a private phone and started the process of calling a Fed Board emergency telephone meeting.

The result of the meeting was Greenspan released a statement the next day that simply said, ""The Federal Reserve, consistent with its responsibilities as the Nation's central bank, affirmed today its readiness to serve as a source of liquidity to support the economic and financial system."

And it did...

(Greenspan had insisted on a brief statement so as to avoid any misunderstandings.)
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
89380 posts
Posted on 4/26/25 at 4:20 pm to
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So most of those transactions were simply erased?


I don’t believe any security can trade at $0 on any exchange. No bids means it doesn’t trade at all.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
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Posted on 4/26/25 at 5:41 pm to
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I don’t believe any security can trade at $0 on any exchange. No bids means it doesn’t trade at all.
Well, I can tell you point blank that some of the trades were not at "$0 on the exchange." Nor could there have been a turn around in the market at its nadir w/o counterparty participation.

Doesn't matter much at this stage, but I was more interested in whether "remedy" was afforded at base, or near base, level transactions. It sounds like the answer is "no."
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
89380 posts
Posted on 4/26/25 at 6:40 pm to
Russian is talking about 1987. There was no turnaround midday that day. Idk if you’re confusing the flash crash with 87 or if I’m confused.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
130781 posts
Posted on 4/26/25 at 7:20 pm to
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Russian is talking about 1987. There was no turnaround midday that day. Idk if you’re confusing the flash crash with 87
Right. No confusion at this end. Russian did interject his 1987 experience, which was fascinating and appreciated -- both in terms of his personal account and the Greenspan anecdote.

But the OP, and my responses to posts here, deal with the 2010 episode. FWIW, my knowledge of the 1987 markets would be entirely 2nd or 3rd hand, based on what others describe. That was before my time as an investor.
Posted by nola tiger lsu
Member since Nov 2007
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Posted on 4/27/25 at 8:19 am to
Was that the event that Michael Lewis' Flash Boys was about? Good book.
Posted by GeauxTigers123
Member since Feb 2007
2259 posts
Posted on 4/27/25 at 12:32 pm to
Do yall keep a lot of cash in your brokerage account just waiting for good buying days? I feel like if this happened again I’d be looking for my checkbook to try to make a mobile deposit to Schwab to try get some money in to buy (and yes I realize a flash crash is unlikely).
This post was edited on 4/27/25 at 12:32 pm
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
130721 posts
Posted on 4/27/25 at 12:39 pm to
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Was that the event that Michael Lewis' Flash Boys was about?
I haven't read that book. Sorry.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
130781 posts
Posted on 4/27/25 at 6:07 pm to
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Do yall keep a lot of cash in your brokerage account just waiting for good buying days?
Personally unique situations are unique.
In 2010 we were in the midst of rebalancing our holdings thru LTCG sales, after going all-in (too early) in Feb2009. So, yes, there was available cash.

Again, it's individual and unique. Our personal situation is different now. We've since doled out portions of the portfolio to advisors, and we only handle about 1/2 under roof. Of that portion though, we keep more in cash awaiting opportunities than we did in the past.
This post was edited on 4/28/25 at 8:35 am
Posted by GeauxTigers123
Member since Feb 2007
2259 posts
Posted on 4/28/25 at 9:58 am to
Interesting. I do my regular scheduled investment through work retirement. But when there are market downturns I find myself scrambling to put cash into my brokerage account to try to buy on the red days.
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