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re: Dave Ramsey: Will the stock market crash under Joe Biden?

Posted on 4/13/21 at 8:12 pm to
Posted by slackster
Houston
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Posted on 4/13/21 at 8:12 pm to
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or as alternative explanation, someone who is not brainwashed by fiat currency or guys like dave ramsey who have been misleading them for their entire lives.

enjoy your 16% bull market. I'll be elsewhere getting "lucky"



Rocket has been making money for a decade or so but he’s convinced this is how it always works.

Sounds like a Nasdaq investor in the 90s.

Mind you, this is the same guy that would have sucked dick for a 16% return in 2014 or 2018 in crypto.
Posted by rocket31
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 4/13/21 at 8:18 pm to
comparing nasdaq to bitcoin?

ngmi
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 4/13/21 at 8:20 pm to
How many millions rocket?
Posted by 13SaintTiger
Isle of Capri
Member since Sep 2011
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Posted on 4/13/21 at 8:25 pm to
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Mind you, this is the same guy that would have sucked dick for a 16% return in 2014 or 2018 in crypto.


Wat. This is the lamest “gotcha” I’ve read so far. It doesn’t even make sense
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 4/13/21 at 8:28 pm to
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Wat. This is the lamest “gotcha” I’ve read so far. It doesn’t even make sense


Rocket said making 16% in a year sucks.

I can only imagine what he thinks about losing 50%+. It’s pretty simple.
Posted by rocket31
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 4/13/21 at 8:29 pm to
no, i said id never brag about making 16% bubba

does it suck? naa, but in 2020/2021 you need your head examined if thats your return

Posted by Hulkklogan
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 4/13/21 at 8:40 pm to
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If there’s a computer than can reverse the blockchain, wouldn’t the central banking system also be a risk, if not at more risk?


Yes, the whole world would be pretty fricked if a hacker with a quantum computer could break existing encryption.

NIST is currently working on standardizing new encryption protocols that would be "hardened" against QC.

NIST project

Their current goal is to have a standardized encryption model by 2024. Most things I can find online suggest that it's highly unlikely that QC can break existing encryption before 2030, and some saying a 50/50 shot by 2035.

If that's the case, then we'd have ~6 years of an adoption period in which our entire internet would be adopting new encryption protocols, including crypto projects. There are other independent projects working on wrapping the new protocols in existing services, like TLS, to help with the transition.
Posted by slackster
Houston
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Posted on 4/13/21 at 8:53 pm to
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no, i said id never brag about making 16% bubba


Are you familiar with the law of large numbers? If so, do you see how BTC return is going to come down over time?

Or to ask it another way, do you see 100% annualized return over the next decade in BTC specifically?
Posted by rocket31
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 4/13/21 at 8:54 pm to
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Or to ask it another way, do you see 100% annualized return over the next decade in BTC specifically?



on average over the next decade, ya
Posted by jimbeam
University of LSU
Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 4/13/21 at 8:55 pm to
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do you see how BTC return is going to come down over time?
It already has. Extension has been less and less each of the last few cycles. Returns are still stupid compared to the stock market
This post was edited on 4/13/21 at 8:56 pm
Posted by rocket31
Member since Jan 2008
41819 posts
Posted on 4/13/21 at 8:58 pm to
2017 1318.0%
2018 -72.6%
2019 87.2%
2020 302.8%

where are we for 2021?
This post was edited on 4/13/21 at 8:59 pm
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
84837 posts
Posted on 4/13/21 at 9:04 pm to
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on average over the next decade, ya


Correct me if I’m wrong, but that would give it a 1.2 quadrillion market cap in a decade, right?

63,000 USD x 2^10 x 19,000,000 coins = 1.2x10^15
This post was edited on 4/13/21 at 9:09 pm
Posted by James11111
Walnut Creek
Member since Jul 2020
4659 posts
Posted on 4/13/21 at 9:13 pm to
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Well, IBM quantum computing is about 2 years away from reverse mining blockchain for starters.


This is not true.
Posted by jimbeam
University of LSU
Member since Oct 2011
75703 posts
Posted on 4/13/21 at 9:13 pm to
Roughly 100% in 2021
Posted by James11111
Walnut Creek
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Posted on 4/13/21 at 9:15 pm to
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some people forget about mtgox


Are you comparing Magic cards to coinbase?
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35236 posts
Posted on 4/13/21 at 9:15 pm to
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Correct me if I’m wrong, but that would give it a 1.2 quadrillion market cap in a decade, right?

63,000 USD x 2^10 x 19,000,000 coins = 1.2x10^15
Yes. And won’t there be more coins in 10 years than now, even if there are fewer new coins over time?
Posted by Tigerfan56
Member since May 2010
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Posted on 4/13/21 at 9:19 pm to
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Or to ask it another way, do you see 100% annualized return over the next decade in BTC specifically?



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on average over the next decade, ya


Well I have to assume that you don’t have any other investments, correct? All cash available to you goes straight to BTC? Have you accessed all the equity you can in your home via a second mortgage and thrown it into BTC?

I have to assume yes. Because you believe annualized 100% returns over the next decade AND you’ve said that it’s the safest asset with no risk. Based on those two claims, you’d be an idiot not to access as much debt as possible and put it into BTC or to hold any other assets. Surely you’re not an idiot are you?
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35236 posts
Posted on 4/13/21 at 9:22 pm to
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Well I have to assume that you don’t have any other investments, correct? All cash available to you goes straight to BTC? Have you accessed all the equity you can in your home via a second mortgage and thrown it into BTC?
And since he’s into that same dating/relationship philosophy as GoldenNugget (never getting married, I don’t even think monogamous relationship are allowed, no kids, etc.), he should have a lot of disposable income to play with as well.
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
84837 posts
Posted on 4/13/21 at 9:25 pm to
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And since he’s into that same dating/relationship philosophy as GoldenNugget (never getting married, I don’t even think monogamous relationship are allowed, no kids, etc.), he should have a lot of disposable income to play with as well.


He’s got to be worth 10s of millions, at a minimum, yet he fricks around with GME.
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35236 posts
Posted on 4/13/21 at 9:26 pm to
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He’s got to be worth 10s of millions, at a minimum, yet he fricks around with GME.
If we’re looking at 15 years or so if 100% returns, even a non-baller $500 a month will put someone at nearly $300 million after those 15 years.
This post was edited on 4/13/21 at 9:28 pm
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