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re: Credit Card Rewards and Points Discussion

Posted on 9/21/16 at 1:42 pm to
Posted by dabigfella
Member since Mar 2016
6687 posts
Posted on 9/21/16 at 1:42 pm to
Honestly, I was kinda thrust into this business. My uncle passed away years back and had no kids so I was left a couple stores. I added a couple more on my own, but my background is in finance, its what I worked in before I got into this business suddenly. The reality is, this is a tough tough business. Its low margin, high employee turnover. Ive mitigated that alot by buying alot of cheap homes and renting them to my employees stabilizing them somewhat. Its allowed me to build a nice portfolio of high cap rate rental homes with easy rent collection, I simply take weekly pay out of their payments. Anyways its not really a passion of mine or anything and realistically I see electric cars being an issue in a much longer time frame.

I imagine gas stations were a good business before credit card fees but today, its just a war where you're fighting everyone around you and with the volatility in the market there's many times you lose ALOT on gas bc you buy a load and the price falls 10 cents over night then the guy across the street pays less and you have to lower to compete. Its just nasty and realistically with the land I have, I can get 8 figures total for all 5 branded stores. I make a great income, but the headaches are incredible, dealing with minimum wage employees is the worst thing you can ever imagine.

Ideally I own 4 properties in houston that are sizable( 25k,56k,77k, and 96k sq ft) and I have a good friend of mine who is a developer and we've discussed potentially building shopping centers, apartments, and just other options which would generate great returns without the 24/7 headache of the convenience store business. The business you'll notice has a lot of foreigners in it, and having gotten to know some other owners in recent years I understand why. These Indian/Arab families are very tight knight units. They all work in the store, it cuts labor costs and headaches out. Youll see the parents and kids and aunts and uncles all working there. You have no idea how hard it is to find employees. Everytime I post a job listing 90% of applicants have serious criminal history. I cant hire you to run a register if you're a convicted thief lol its just tough out there man. I respect those in the business but ideally you need much more help than I have and for me, that help is expensive management for each store vs having kids and a wife working with me.
This post was edited on 9/21/16 at 1:58 pm
Posted by Sho Nuff
Oahu
Member since Feb 2009
14007 posts
Posted on 9/21/16 at 2:04 pm to
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So use Ink+ at office stores to buy GCs up until $50K

Are you hitting this max? I need to try to focus on this. I bought $500 gas cards and it's a little pain to go to Shell as they're not all around here. I guess I can but Safeway as that's where I go anyway. Any other easy GC's you buy at Office to get me towards that $50k?

BTW, I sent you an email did you get it?
Posted by kywildcatfanone
Wildcat Country!
Member since Oct 2012
139306 posts
Posted on 9/21/16 at 2:15 pm to
A bit curious about this myself. So, get the Ink card, go to Staples and OD, buy a lot of Amex or Visa gift cards and collect the 5X, then what, go use the gift cards to make purchases at walmart, target, lowes?
Posted by RedHawk
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2007
9654 posts
Posted on 9/21/16 at 2:27 pm to
quote:

Can I get my car payments, rent, and insurance all charged to a credit card for cash back purposes?


I can't pay my mortgage or car payment with CC. Some allow it, most don't. I do pay most of my other bills including my insurance with a CC.
Posted by Big Saint
Houston
Member since May 2009
1464 posts
Posted on 9/21/16 at 2:28 pm to
Gotcha. Thanks for the explanation. You can't put a price on piece of mind and happiness so I understand that.
Posted by AmeriKop45
Coach, Wing Tip Seat
Member since Jan 2016
2102 posts
Posted on 9/21/16 at 2:28 pm to
quote:

Are you hitting this max?


Yeah. I spread it out over the year just to play it cool with Chase. Otherwise 50K is a good month

I just only buy Visa GCs and call the 1% fee the cost of my travel. A lot of people use part of the earned points to cover the fees, but I just pay it. I have bought target GCs before. I have a costco membership and I don't do a lot of voluntary spend otherwise, so other GCs have no use to me.

Just replied.

quote:

GenesChin


Oh yeah. I was aware of that. In context, I didn't think dabigfella was looking to reduce prices etc. Besides, when it comes to re-selling, I have always felt that it is not worth it if your only "profit" is the credit card points.

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I can't pay my mortgage or car payment with CC. Some allow it, most don't. I do pay most of my other bills including my insurance with a CC.



Yes you can. Use rad pad. As long as you can use checks to pay, you can pay a 1.75% fee to pay with CC and radpad will send them a check.

quote:

A bit curious about this myself. So, get the Ink card, go to Staples and OD, buy a lot of Amex or Visa gift cards and collect the 5X, then what, go use the gift cards to make purchases at walmart, target, lowes?


Precisely. Welcome to Pandora's box
This post was edited on 9/21/16 at 2:33 pm
Posted by Big Saint
Houston
Member since May 2009
1464 posts
Posted on 9/21/16 at 2:30 pm to
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I bought $500 gas cards and it's a little pain to go to Shell as they're not all around here.


I don't know if you have Race Tracs around you but they sell gift cards too. Gives you an option instead of Shell. I ran into the same issue when gas stations were a 5x Freedom category. I bought up Shell gift cards but it made it a pain in the arse on occasion if I really needed to fill up and had to find a Shell station.
Posted by Lazy But Talented
Member since Aug 2011
15067 posts
Posted on 9/21/16 at 2:34 pm to
quote:

I can't pay my mortgage or car payment with CC. Some allow it, most don't. I do pay most of my other bills including my insurance with a CC.




Thanks for the reply. I am assuming it is up to the bank that is giving the loan for the house/car? My car loan is 0% APR, I'm not sure if that would affect it or not.



ETA: Looked at radpad - seems the fee to process the payment would end up being more than I would make on cashback for the year. Unless I'm doing the math wrong.
This post was edited on 9/21/16 at 2:39 pm
Posted by Sho Nuff
Oahu
Member since Feb 2009
14007 posts
Posted on 9/21/16 at 2:37 pm to
quote:

Yeah. I spread it out over the year just to play it cool with Chase. Otherwise 50K is a good month



quote:

I just only buy Visa GCs and call the 1% fee the cost of my travel.

I didn't even think that would work. So the $500 Visa cards code as 5x from office stores and yeah you pay $5 for the card so that's not bad. I don't think I'll hit $50k but the more I can do the more travel I'm going to use now knowing the trick to get to the mainland and Euro from HI.

quote:

Just replied.


Posted by Sho Nuff
Oahu
Member since Feb 2009
14007 posts
Posted on 9/21/16 at 2:38 pm to
quote:

I don't know if you have Race Tracs around you but they sell gift cards too.

Not out here they don't but thanks for the suggestion.
Posted by AmeriKop45
Coach, Wing Tip Seat
Member since Jan 2016
2102 posts
Posted on 9/21/16 at 2:42 pm to
Edited

quote:

ETA: Looked at radpad - seems the fee to process the payment would end up being more than I would make on cashback for the year. Unless I'm doing the math wrong.


It makes sense if you use it to meet min spends and have no other way to.
This post was edited on 9/21/16 at 2:47 pm
Posted by SLafourche07
Member since Feb 2008
10054 posts
Posted on 9/21/16 at 2:53 pm to
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Visa GCs and call the 1% fee the cost of my travel


If it's $8.95 for a $300 gift card, where are you getting the 1%?

The payoff is still good ($1,500 for 250,000 UR points) but not 1%.
Posted by AmeriKop45
Coach, Wing Tip Seat
Member since Jan 2016
2102 posts
Posted on 9/21/16 at 2:54 pm to
Oh yeah, you're right. Not 1% at Office. But still come out on top due to 5x. And you pay 0.58c per point bought at store or online
This post was edited on 9/21/16 at 2:57 pm
Posted by Lazy But Talented
Member since Aug 2011
15067 posts
Posted on 9/21/16 at 2:59 pm to
quote:

It makes sense if you use it to meet min spends and have no other way to.


Ah yes, I understand now. Man this stuff is interesting.
Posted by kywildcatfanone
Wildcat Country!
Member since Oct 2012
139306 posts
Posted on 9/21/16 at 3:20 pm to
So, a $100 GC bought at Staples is 500 UR points. If it costs $3 to buy the card, 500 UR points used inside Chase is really 750, which equals $7.50 worth of travel? So, kind of a $4.50 gain? Am I doing this right? I'm driving, so it's kind of hard.
This post was edited on 9/21/16 at 3:22 pm
Posted by dabigfella
Member since Mar 2016
6687 posts
Posted on 9/21/16 at 3:24 pm to
if so WOW that turns 100 points into 750??? Damn man I need to get on this if thats the case
Posted by kywildcatfanone
Wildcat Country!
Member since Oct 2012
139306 posts
Posted on 9/21/16 at 3:40 pm to
quote:

if so WOW that turns 100 points into 750??? Damn man I need to get on this if thats the case


I'm not sure that is accurate, it's why I'm asking. Might make the Ink worth it for me because i will gladly go load up on gift cards if the fees aren't too high, and use them at Walmart/Lowes/Sams/Costco etc instead of a CC.

Posted by hiltacular
NYC
Member since Jan 2011
20202 posts
Posted on 9/21/16 at 4:03 pm to
quote:

So, a $100 GC bought at Staples is 500 UR points. If it costs $3 to buy the card, 500 UR points used inside Chase is really 750, which equals $7.50 worth of travel? So, kind of a $4.50 gain? Am I doing this right? I'm driving, so it's kind of hard.


You have the gist of it but really it would be worth more than $7.50 when you look at award flights etc. $7.50 would be the absolute lowest you value those points at.
Posted by VABuckeye
NOVA
Member since Dec 2007
38283 posts
Posted on 9/21/16 at 4:08 pm to
quote:

You have the gist of it but really it would be worth more than $7.50 when you look at award flights etc. $7.50 would be the absolute lowest you value those points at.


Exactly. I had to book flights for my wife and daughter to Philly and for some unknown reason a direct flight from Dulles to Philadelphia is $500 a ticket. It only cost 10000 miles on United for the flight so I transferred 20k UR points to United (which happens in real time) and got each ticket. That's a .05 redemption per point which is fantastic.
Posted by AmeriKop45
Coach, Wing Tip Seat
Member since Jan 2016
2102 posts
Posted on 9/21/16 at 4:23 pm to
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kywildcatfanone


Now you get why I say Ink paired with CSR is a killer combo.
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