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Posted on 3/27/18 at 10:52 am to TigrrrDad
When an item is pending, the bank gives you a memo credit to make the funds "available" to you as a courtesy. This is very common. Just because the bank made it available to you it does not mean it has been collected by the bank. They absolutely can and will reverse the memo credit if that pending deposit goes away and is not collected.
Posted on 3/27/18 at 3:02 pm to LSU6262
Agree with the above. I work for a top 15 bank and I would never withdraw money past what is shown in the current balance.
Pending transactions (debits or credits) can disappear for all sorts of reasons. When you make a deposit it may be initially all available, but then something could trigger putting a hold for all or a portion of it.
As far as the bank is concerned nothing is official until it "hard posts" to your account which is what the current balance reflects.
Now some deposits like a wire is pretty much automatic that it will post and a reversal is very unlikely. The same goes for some of these new real-time payment types like Zelle or RTP where the bank gets the money instantly.
Pending transactions (debits or credits) can disappear for all sorts of reasons. When you make a deposit it may be initially all available, but then something could trigger putting a hold for all or a portion of it.
As far as the bank is concerned nothing is official until it "hard posts" to your account which is what the current balance reflects.
Now some deposits like a wire is pretty much automatic that it will post and a reversal is very unlikely. The same goes for some of these new real-time payment types like Zelle or RTP where the bank gets the money instantly.
Posted on 3/27/18 at 3:34 pm to gpburdell
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I work for a top 15 bank and I would never withdraw money past what is shown in the current balance.
Neither would I. Which is why I withdrew money showing in my available balance, which IS the current balance.
This post was edited on 3/27/18 at 3:59 pm
Posted on 3/27/18 at 3:55 pm to TigrrrDad
After not receiving a call from the bank yet, I called today. After much yelling and screaming I was finally put in touch with the person handling the case. Here's what happened: For years I had a 7 digit account number. Several years back, they added 3 numbers to the front of the account number, with the original 7 numbers remaining intact. My accountant sent the IRS the original account number without the front 3 numbers. However, this apparently wasn't an issue the past couple years. And Capital One still had put the direct deposit into my available balance, so it's not like it got sent to some random incorrect account number. At some point they changed their mind and cancelled the deposit (after I used it), and they are returning it to the IRS.
I spoke to the IRS twice today (they informed me of the account number issue when verifying all of my info before I spoke to the bank today), and their policy when funds are returned is to send a paper check to my mailing address - they won't send another direct deposit to a new account number. This should take around 5 weeks, though they said they'll refer my case to the taxpayer advocate service to try to speed it up.
I totally understand the account number screw up and don't have a problem with it. However, after Capital One researched the issue and discovered the account number problem, they STILL have NO RECORD of there ever being a pending deposit or of the funds showing in my available balance on Thursday. That is not only mind-boggling, but is disturbing as well. How can the bank not have a record of my available balance at any given time in their system??? Funds can appear then disappear without a trace??? The woman from Capital One said, "My advice would be to not use any funds until the deposits are no longer pending." I told her, "My advice is DON'T TELL ME I HAVE AVAILABLE FUNDS THAT AREN'T AVAILABLE!!!"
Lesson learned. I obviously won't use funds again from a pending deposit regardless of whether or not it shows as "available balance." But I just can not freaking believe that in this day and age a large bank can move money into and out of my account with NO RECORD of it.
I spoke to the IRS twice today (they informed me of the account number issue when verifying all of my info before I spoke to the bank today), and their policy when funds are returned is to send a paper check to my mailing address - they won't send another direct deposit to a new account number. This should take around 5 weeks, though they said they'll refer my case to the taxpayer advocate service to try to speed it up.
I totally understand the account number screw up and don't have a problem with it. However, after Capital One researched the issue and discovered the account number problem, they STILL have NO RECORD of there ever being a pending deposit or of the funds showing in my available balance on Thursday. That is not only mind-boggling, but is disturbing as well. How can the bank not have a record of my available balance at any given time in their system??? Funds can appear then disappear without a trace??? The woman from Capital One said, "My advice would be to not use any funds until the deposits are no longer pending." I told her, "My advice is DON'T TELL ME I HAVE AVAILABLE FUNDS THAT AREN'T AVAILABLE!!!"
Lesson learned. I obviously won't use funds again from a pending deposit regardless of whether or not it shows as "available balance." But I just can not freaking believe that in this day and age a large bank can move money into and out of my account with NO RECORD of it.
Posted on 3/27/18 at 8:29 pm to TigrrrDad
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withdrew money showing in my available balance, which IS the current balance
Available balance does not equal current balance
This post was edited on 3/28/18 at 7:32 am
Posted on 3/27/18 at 9:24 pm to TigrrrDad
The part about their system having no record of what you saw is what disturbs me most about this saga. I would switch banks for no other reason than that.
Posted on 3/27/18 at 10:13 pm to TigrrrDad
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Neither would I. Which is why I withdrew money showing in my available balance, which IS the current balance.
WRONG. Your account has an "available balance" and a "current balance". Current balance (some banks calls this ledger) only reflects what your account balance was at the beginning of the day after official posting.
Any pending transactions during the day do not affect the current balance. The available balance is the current balance with the pending debits or credits for that day. There is no guarantee that those debits/credits will actually post to your account which is what happened to you.
If you look at the fine print of your bank's policies I'm sure this is in there. They have every right to charge you for overdrawing the account.
I agree that they should be able to see somewhere that there was a pending deposit, but it really doesn't matter since it didn't post to your account.
Also I just noticed that you mentioned Capital One. I have a Capital One 360 account which I only use for things like paypal and venmo. I took a look at the main account screen and it only shows the available balance. You have to click on the View Details link to see the current balance. That's bad if you ask me and that should be on the main screen.
This post was edited on 3/27/18 at 10:26 pm
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