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re: Buy, Borrow, Die feasability?
Posted on 5/28/26 at 12:33 pm to Everyday Is Saturday
Posted on 5/28/26 at 12:33 pm to Everyday Is Saturday
1. Borrow from the SBLOC to pay the IRS
2. Let the Roth account grow tax-free forever
3. Use your part-time job income or portfolio dividends to quietly pay off the SBLOC interest each month.
2. Let the Roth account grow tax-free forever
3. Use your part-time job income or portfolio dividends to quietly pay off the SBLOC interest each month.
Posted on 5/28/26 at 12:41 pm to Everyday Is Saturday
I won't pay back SBLOC, our heirs will. If I do this, my plan is to just let the SBLOC interest accrue. Heirs will pay it off from taxable portfolio (which will almost certainly be larger than if I had been selling shares to spend along way). Heirs get full step up in basis so no LTCG when they sell shares to cover the debt.
Same for spouse since she gets 50% of assets stepped up. I've told her to go ahead and pay it off at my death since she loses my pension will need to take less risk.
Same for spouse since she gets 50% of assets stepped up. I've told her to go ahead and pay it off at my death since she loses my pension will need to take less risk.
This post was edited on 5/28/26 at 12:42 pm
Posted on 5/28/26 at 1:05 pm to TorchtheFlyingTiger
What I find interesting about all of this, is that while this is one of the en vogue reddit talking points for their hatred of uber wealthy people, I actually see a lot of viability for your middle/upper class people that may have a decent taxable brokerage account but also aren't in any risk of ever hitting any estate tax issues. Can be a very good way to avoid the capital gains tax on that account to help supplement income or whatever they may need.
The uber wealthy would much rather pay the capital gains tax and pay these LOC's off prior to death than have the values go into their taxable estate and while it does happen where they die with them, I don't think that is actually the norm as some would have you believe. If the company stock or whatever they are using is actually valuable, they are probably planning to pass it on through a trust anyways as it is going to be tied to ownership of a business and not something they want to just be liquidated to take care of outstanding debts by the estate.
The uber wealthy would much rather pay the capital gains tax and pay these LOC's off prior to death than have the values go into their taxable estate and while it does happen where they die with them, I don't think that is actually the norm as some would have you believe. If the company stock or whatever they are using is actually valuable, they are probably planning to pass it on through a trust anyways as it is going to be tied to ownership of a business and not something they want to just be liquidated to take care of outstanding debts by the estate.
Posted on 5/28/26 at 7:59 pm to TorchtheFlyingTiger
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I won't pay back SBLOC, our heirs will.
Sounds like you are comfortable with market risk / margin call (low/nil).
What about interest rate risk? Is SBLOC a floating rate?
What is probability of scenario where SBLOC compounded finance costs exceeds corresponding securities after tax return (net negative for you or heirs)?
Presume if considering SBLOC that cash equivalents (eg, money market, ST treasury) are not an option or not as attractive (lower cost / risk)?
Curious of the thinking: SBLOC vs cash equivalents (cost and risk) trade offs.
This post was edited on 5/28/26 at 8:07 pm
Posted on 5/28/26 at 8:33 pm to Everyday Is Saturday
I'd have to sell appreciated assets and pay LTCG to reallocate into cash equivalents.
Cash equivalents would pay interest/dividends further increasing income taxes and reducing my already narrow space in 12% bracket for most efficient Roth conversions.
Approaching 50 so we have a long term investing horizon and pension covers primary expenses & current lifestyle so we can take on risk and wait out market decline.
Rate risk is a concern but was supposedly taken into account in the scenario I ran through AI.
(Maybe I could mitigate by paying interest as it accrues if rate exceeds 6-7%)
Still thinking through this strategy and will require much more analysis before I act. Please keep asking ? and poking holes really helps to look at it from every angle.
Cash equivalents would pay interest/dividends further increasing income taxes and reducing my already narrow space in 12% bracket for most efficient Roth conversions.
Approaching 50 so we have a long term investing horizon and pension covers primary expenses & current lifestyle so we can take on risk and wait out market decline.
Rate risk is a concern but was supposedly taken into account in the scenario I ran through AI.
(Maybe I could mitigate by paying interest as it accrues if rate exceeds 6-7%)
Still thinking through this strategy and will require much more analysis before I act. Please keep asking ? and poking holes really helps to look at it from every angle.
Posted on 5/28/26 at 10:29 pm to TorchtheFlyingTiger
If starting point is to trigger LTCG to create, then hear you. Sounds like SBLOC is good option if you can mitigate interest rate risk.
We dedicated some of our taxable cash equivalents to pay for future Roth conversion taxes, in tax exempt muni’s and money market, keeping tax tables clear in so doing.
I’m working on the details there (2027 begins Roth conversions so have time). And SBLOC has me a little intrigued.
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Cash equivalents would pay interest/dividends further increasing income taxes and reducing my already narrow space in 12% bracket for most efficient Roth conversions.
We dedicated some of our taxable cash equivalents to pay for future Roth conversion taxes, in tax exempt muni’s and money market, keeping tax tables clear in so doing.
I’m working on the details there (2027 begins Roth conversions so have time). And SBLOC has me a little intrigued.
This post was edited on 5/28/26 at 11:09 pm
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