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re: Anyone do covered calls?

Posted on 7/8/22 at 10:01 am to
Posted by good_2_geaux
Member since Feb 2015
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Posted on 7/8/22 at 10:01 am to
Rookie question:

In a “poor man’s covered call” situation: what happens if the short term call gets called?

So in your Schwab acct., you have two calls 1)a LEAP >1 yr out, out the money strike price, >.7 delta 2)short term expiration, in the money, <.35 delta.
You don’t own 100 shares of the underlying stock.
Posted by Jag_Warrior
Virginia
Member since May 2015
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Posted on 7/8/22 at 10:06 am to
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In a “poor man’s covered call” situation: what happens if the short term call gets called?


Because your long call is also in the money, you could exercise it to deliver shares if the short call gets exercised. That’s what makes this a “covered” strategy.
This post was edited on 7/8/22 at 10:09 am
Posted by good_2_geaux
Member since Feb 2015
797 posts
Posted on 7/8/22 at 11:27 am to

Lets say the long call date is June 2023 and the short call gets called today. You would exercise the long call today by purchasing 100 shares at your long call strike price?

I'm trying to visualize how this would play out in my Schwab account and budget how much $ I need on hand. Is it fair to say you should always have at least enough cash readily available to "exercise" your long call which is escentially purchasing 100 shares at the long call strike price?
Posted by Jag_Warrior
Virginia
Member since May 2015
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Posted on 7/8/22 at 12:34 pm to
Yes. But it’s essentially going to be simultaneous. For a split second, you might be short 100 shares when the short option is assigned. But once you exercise your long option, you’ll be back to neutral.

My options trading account is set up with portfolio margin, so I can’t speak to how Schwab or others treat cash positions. That would be a good question for a Schwab rep as you walk them through the scenario.
Posted by j1897
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 7/8/22 at 12:39 pm to
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Yes. But it’s essentially going to be simultaneous.


You would have to wait a trading day no?
Posted by frogtown
Member since Aug 2017
5771 posts
Posted on 7/8/22 at 4:54 pm to
quote:

Is it fair to say you should always have at least enough cash readily available to "exercise" your long call which is escentially purchasing 100 shares at the long call strike price?



No. You don't need cash available to exercise your long call.

If you don't take action on or before expiration day, your broker will take your long call to satisfy the short call that got exercised. You do nothing. The math works itself out,
Posted by thelawnwranglers
Member since Sep 2007
42055 posts
Posted on 7/15/22 at 10:56 pm to
My AMD 7/29 $80 call I sold is in money now

Think I will let it get assigned
Posted by frogtown
Member since Aug 2017
5771 posts
Posted on 7/16/22 at 9:33 am to
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My AMD 7/29 $80 call I sold is in money now



I would "roll up". But here are your choices.

If you don't want to lose your shares you can either let it go and hope it closes below 80 at July 29 expiration or you can "roll up".

If it does close above 80 at expiration you will lose your shares but you will have made good money in the process. So there is that.

Here is the "roll up".

BTC "buy to close" your Jul 29 80 call for $4.00.

Go further out and now STO "sell to open" the Aug 19 85 call for $4.10.

So here is the math. You got/had a credit for $266. You bought back your sold call, a $400 debit. You sold again, further out, for $410 credit. +266-400+410 = 276

So this gets you back to a $276 credit.

1. You have kept your shares.
2. You still have a credit of around $276 now.
3. You have increased your strike to 85.

Hope this makes some sense.
This post was edited on 7/16/22 at 11:43 am
Posted by thelawnwranglers
Member since Sep 2007
42055 posts
Posted on 7/16/22 at 10:32 am to
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Here is the "roll up".



Makes sense thanks

Other factor I bought 500 shares which probably gives AMD to much weight in portfolio.

Maybe I should roll 1 or 2 contracts.

I am leaning towards letting it assign bc have 150 shares in wife's account. When I did this July 1st ish told myself take 7% gain if called. So I think maybe it's good discipline to let it roll
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