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re: Anybody ever lawyered up against a contractor?

Posted on 7/24/23 at 7:55 am to
Posted by Billy Blanks
Member since Dec 2021
4989 posts
Posted on 7/24/23 at 7:55 am to
One thing I alwasy consider is hassle factor and my mental sanity. I place great value on that.
Posted by HubbaBubba
North of DFW, TX
Member since Oct 2010
50963 posts
Posted on 7/24/23 at 8:17 am to
Always, always, always structure your payouts to leave 10% (minimum) of the total unpaid and a 10-15 day period of time after the contractor tells you he's complete. This time is for you to come up with a punch list of unfinished, incorrect or cosmetic defects. Hand the list to the contractor and when he's done, pay him. If he balks, use the funds to have someone else finish it.

I just had a new stamped and stained/sealed patio put in. I held back 15% and they had to come back to seal the concrete after a few weeks of curing. I discovered the workers had damaged sprinkler lines under the concrete patio. I texted the contractor about it. He responded, "my guy's didn't damage anything". I called my sprinkler guy. He came out and had to reroute main lines and add a new sprinkler controller, bypassing the original controller. $400.

When the concrete contractor came out and finished the sealant, I gave him a copy of the bill from my sprinkler guy and short paid him the $400, but before paying I had him sign a release of lien form to protect myself. He wasn't happy about but I told him that I gave him an opportunity to come out and he went into denial. He was pissed, but he also wanted the rest of his money, so he signed it and I paid him.
Posted by Im4datigers
Northern Virginia
Member since Oct 2003
4649 posts
Posted on 7/24/23 at 9:17 am to
I get the 10% I do, but building a pool in the middle of COVID (slam me if you want), we interviewed 10 different pool company’s and not a single one would negotiate on structure of the contract payment. It was their way or the Highway. I’m a banker, I get the hold back, I do and every other project I’ve ever done that’s the way I set up payments.

But when they say they will pull the pool plasters off the job if you don’t pay the remaining balance before the arrive or have a check in hand for when they get there, you aren’t really in a good position.

So yes, I get the retainage angle I do. Unfortunately just wasn’t an option.

They have been servicing my pool this summer. Keep on billing me, but I haven’t paid them a dime of it thus far.
Posted by Cornelius
1800s
Member since Aug 2012
1128 posts
Posted on 7/24/23 at 10:02 am to
quote:

what are the chances that I actually get any attorney costs back from the builder (assuming they don’t file a BK which I doubt).

**This is not legal advice**

Not sure what the law is in your jurisdiction or what your contract says, but usually, attorney's fees are only recoverable if provided by statute or by contract (or both). In the typical breach of contract context, a statute or contract will provide that reasonable attorney's fees can be recovered by the prevailing party. The prevailing party is the party who wins at trial, which means to see any recovery for attorney's fees, you have to: (a) go to trial; and (b) win. Litigation isn't cheap, but your pool fix may not be either.

Hard to know what to do without more information, especially what you are looking at by way of cost of repair, but you shouldn't let the prospect of recovering attorney's fees be a factor, as most cases like this result in settlement.

**This is not legal advice**

Posted by Ric Flair
Charlotte
Member since Oct 2005
13868 posts
Posted on 7/24/23 at 6:28 pm to
You say they are MIA. Not answering the phone? Not answering emails? All of the above? A certified letter would probably get their attention. I wouldn’t pay for a lawyer just yet, but if you have a lawyer relative or close friend, said certified letter on lawyer letterhead would get their attention quickly. Something as simple as a google review stating the issue you have, and putting in your review that you will revise review when the issue is fixed might bet things moving as well.
Posted by Im4datigers
Northern Virginia
Member since Oct 2003
4649 posts
Posted on 7/24/23 at 9:38 pm to
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You say they are MIA. Not answering the phone? Not answering emails? All of the above?


Yep, all of the above. Will not return calls, emails etc. Started keeping an excel sheet as my log.

Haven’t gone to google quite yet, but I’m damn close to posting there with pictures. The problem is they have a 4.9 star google rating as they’ve had all their friends and family go in and leave positive reviews. There are several people in the area that have had similar issues with them as we’ve all found each other on different Facebook pages. We just all laugh at the comments
Posted by theOG
Member since Feb 2010
10783 posts
Posted on 7/24/23 at 11:19 pm to
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Why not file a GL claim?


A GL policy will not cover the cost to repair defective work, but it will cover damages that result from defective work.

For example, if your pool contractor does a shitty job and the pool cracks, causing a your backyard to flood and ruin your new outdoor kitchen, the GL policy will NOT pay to fix the crack in the pool, but it WILL pay (in theory) for a new outdoor kitchen.
Posted by JohnDoe00
Houston, TX
Member since Feb 2019
910 posts
Posted on 7/25/23 at 2:08 pm to
Whos the pool contractor?
Posted by Im4datigers
Northern Virginia
Member since Oct 2003
4649 posts
Posted on 7/26/23 at 10:29 am to
Crystal blue aquatics. I’m in northern Virginia.
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