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Posted on 6/24/11 at 10:29 pm to
Posted by Da Hammer
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Posted on 6/24/11 at 10:29 pm to
I guess I am missing something here. I don't normally hang out here, but how are student loans bad? Other than being a loan, what is bad about them? A loan at 3-4% IMO is almost free money. You will never get another loan at that low of an interest rate, and almost all investments will make more than 4%!
In the ten years since I have graduated, I have bought my home, on 40 acres of land, 2 acres of commercial land that is currently under development, and an office which I practice out of. I just passed ten years after graduation, and I will make my last student loan payment in two months.

Money board, please tell me how did I go wrong??

PS Guttata, I suspect you and I may do the same thing for a living if your handle is something you encounter every day at work.
Posted by TheHiddenFlask
The Welsh red light district
Member since Jul 2008
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Posted on 6/24/11 at 11:10 pm to
Only real downside is that they are bankruptcy proof.



I think.
Posted by TBama93k
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 6/25/11 at 2:57 am to
pay off your debt asap,
Posted by tirebiter
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Posted on 6/25/11 at 11:32 am to
quote:

Money board, please tell me how did I go wrong??


As with many things in life, one can't paint the entire debtor populace with a broad brush. Your student loans enabled you to enter a high paying occupation from which you channeled excess earnings into assets. Most student loan borrowers are unable/unwilling to do this and have limited cash flow due to lower incomes, outstanding debt, bad spending habits and little understanding of investments. Those are the borrowers who would be well served to suck it up and pay off the student loans if they are > 4%. Imagine being a sociologist making $35k with $50k in student loans @ 6.9%.
Posted by guttata
prairieville
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Posted on 6/25/11 at 11:45 am to
If I were in those shoes, I wouldn't even be entertaining the idea of buying a house.
Posted by tirebiter
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Posted on 6/25/11 at 12:38 pm to
They might not be sociologists, but there are a ton of graduates in that circumstance, what does it matter if it is $35k in loans vs $50k if the borrower has no free cash flow of consequence.

I am glad my wife and I always had a very high savings/investing rate through the years, have no debt, and can do pretty much WTF we want these days.

ETA - the college professors are minting it off the backs of students who really have limited upsides with their chosen field of studies, but nobody put a gun to their head and mandated they attend college. Seriously, have you seen the pensions of retired tenured professors?
This post was edited on 6/25/11 at 12:42 pm
Posted by RedStickBR
Member since Sep 2009
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Posted on 6/25/11 at 1:40 pm to
And they all bitch about how they "don't make any money."
Posted by tirebiter
7K R&G chile land aka SF
Member since Oct 2006
11002 posts
Posted on 6/25/11 at 5:29 pm to
Furk, you should see the numbers for some in the University of Georgia system, it is enough to make you . I truly believe they are grossly overcomped in the retirement system, overburdening students and tax payers, some of the comp numbers are frickin' staggering. I'll go back to my corner now.
Posted by Da Hammer
Folsom
Member since May 2008
5997 posts
Posted on 6/25/11 at 9:24 pm to
I see your point with worthless degrees as far as income generation. WHIle they are worthwhile paths of study, they don't always pay for themselves. I.E. psychology, art, and history. For most you need a doctorate degree and lots of tuition resources.

I won't even touch the debt managment issues.

However for someone with a small head on their shoulders, I say pay the student loans off last. Most likely students will never have a chance to take another loan out a 4% or less. It worked VERY VERY well for my wife and I.
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