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re: 4,400BTC (~$2.7M) stolen from Silk Road 2.0 escrow account

Posted on 2/15/14 at 6:49 pm to
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 2/15/14 at 6:49 pm to
What?
Posted by joshnorris14
Florida
Member since Jan 2009
46981 posts
Posted on 2/15/14 at 6:51 pm to
quote:

What?



Would you prefer to read the BIP instead of my explanation?
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 2/15/14 at 7:59 pm to
That was an explanation?!?
Posted by joshnorris14
Florida
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 2/15/14 at 8:16 pm to
quote:

That was an explanation?!?



Yes, sorry if you didn't understand.

Interesting price movement on Gox just now:

Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
134899 posts
Posted on 2/15/14 at 8:18 pm to
Does this mean MtGox is back to being the best btc exchange?
Posted by joshnorris14
Florida
Member since Jan 2009
46981 posts
Posted on 2/15/14 at 8:24 pm to
quote:

Does this mean MtGox is back to being the best btc exchange?



If traders continue to use Mt Gox it will continue to frick up and draw the ire of the community.
Posted by Poodlebrain
Way Right of Rex
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 2/16/14 at 2:02 am to
You lost me. Your explanation contradicts every claim you have made about Bitcoins. What you are basically saying is the level of mistrust among Bitcoin users is so great that every transaction must be escrowed to ensure performance by all parties. All of the communications with the escrow agent will leave a trail for law enforcement. How do buyers and sellers agree upon the escrow agent without communications and the escrow agent being an identifiable person or organization?

I'll skip the dozens of other obvious questions your explanation raises and just ask one more. Who is taking the exchange risk while the Bitcoins are in escrow?
Posted by Poodlebrain
Way Right of Rex
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 2/16/14 at 2:07 am to
I hope you were able to sell your Bitcoins during the short spike. The price declined by 50% within 6 hours.
Posted by htownjeep
Republic of Texas
Member since Jun 2005
7799 posts
Posted on 2/16/14 at 7:16 am to
At first I felt bad for these people and then I thought "Wait....you dumbasses are dealing with crooks and you expected less?!"

I can't wait to watch this whole thing burn to the ground. It's like a bad movie that just won't end.

LINK

I love the part about how you can pay a 5% ransom to get your own money back quicker. How people can defend this monopoly money is beyond me.
Posted by joshnorris14
Florida
Member since Jan 2009
46981 posts
Posted on 2/16/14 at 7:59 am to
quote:

What you are basically saying is the level of mistrust among Bitcoin users is so great that every transaction must be escrowed to ensure performance by all parties.




The purpose of bitcoin is to take away the need for trust.

quote:

All of the communications with the escrow agent will leave a trail for law enforcement.


No it won't, the communication happens on the blockchain through encryption. Only the people with the private keys would be able to read it.

Seriously, how long have you been having these discussions? I'd think after all this time you'd have an inkling of understanding of cryptography.

quote:

How do buyers and sellers agree upon the escrow agent without communications and the escrow agent being an identifiable person or organization?


There will assuredly be a lot of identifiable persons acting as escrow agents, because this won't be limited to the Silk Road and illegal activities. For Silk Road users, who are used to a pseudonymous reputation system, it will be based on the reputation of pseudonymous people.

quote:

Who is taking the exchange risk while the Bitcoins are in escrow?


The same people that have taken the risk the entire life cycle of the SR1 and SR2, the seller.
Posted by joshnorris14
Florida
Member since Jan 2009
46981 posts
Posted on 2/16/14 at 8:00 am to
quote:

I hope you were able to sell your Bitcoins during the short spike. The price declined by 50% within 6 hours.



Umm, nope.

The high for the past 24 hours is $673 and the low is $620.
Posted by htownjeep
Republic of Texas
Member since Jun 2005
7799 posts
Posted on 2/16/14 at 8:42 am to
Coindesk has removed Mt Gox from their charts. You think they'll let them back in now that they're "back"?

LINK
This post was edited on 2/16/14 at 8:44 am
Posted by Poodlebrain
Way Right of Rex
Member since Jan 2004
19860 posts
Posted on 2/16/14 at 9:08 am to
Your reference was to MtGox. You even posted and image of the chart. Well according to this site, LINK, the 24hr high was $540.0 and the low was $220.3 on the MtGox exchange.

You must have been attempting to mislead readers with your reference. Were you trying to prove to us that you are as trustworthy as the typical user of Bitcoins who require escrow services for routine transactions?
Posted by joshnorris14
Florida
Member since Jan 2009
46981 posts
Posted on 2/16/14 at 9:09 am to
quote:

Your reference was to MtGox. You even posted and image of the chart. Well according to this site, LINK, the 24hr high was $540.0 and the low was $220.3 on the MtGox exchange.


My reference to the price movement on Mt. Gox was irrelevant. Mt. Gox prices have nothing to do with bitcoin prices considering people are selling their "GoxCoins" below value in anticipation of Gox not actually having their bitcoin.

Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
134899 posts
Posted on 2/16/14 at 9:09 am to
quote:

Umm, nope.
Ummmmm, yep. You're so dishonest.

You posted the price spike on MtGox exchange. Poodle asked you if you sold your btc during the spike because btc fell again, losing 50% of its value.

You pretend he wasn't referring to MtGox and, by association, that you never referred to the price spike on MtGox.

Do you see why you're so distrusted when you post?
Posted by joshnorris14
Florida
Member since Jan 2009
46981 posts
Posted on 2/16/14 at 9:09 am to
quote:

Coindesk has removed Mt Gox from their charts. You think they'll let them back in now that they're "back"?



It's not just Coindesk. And no, they won't let them back in.
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
134899 posts
Posted on 2/16/14 at 9:10 am to
quote:

My reference to the price movement on Mt. Gox was irrelevant.
I've reached the point where all of your posts are irrelevant.
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
134899 posts
Posted on 2/16/14 at 9:11 am to
quote:

The purpose of bitcoin is to take away the need for trust.

It AIN'T working!!
Posted by joshnorris14
Florida
Member since Jan 2009
46981 posts
Posted on 2/16/14 at 9:11 am to
quote:

Ummmmm, yep. You're so dishonest.




I'm not dishonest. I posted a price spike that has nothing to do with the price of bitcoins, but the price at which Goxcoins are trading. It was interesting to see it jump and then crash like that and I'd be curious to know what caused.

quote:

Poodle asked you if you sold your btc during the spike because btc fell again, losing 50% of its value.


I have said that I've never used Mt Gox before. If I had Goxcoins I'd be a lot more pissed off at Gox than I am. He knows this, you know this, everyone knows this, so why ask?

Posted by joshnorris14
Florida
Member since Jan 2009
46981 posts
Posted on 2/16/14 at 9:12 am to
quote:

It AIN'T working!!



The core bitcoin protocol does work. It's the third parties that are fallible. So we just have to continue to get rid of the third parties.

It IS working.
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