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re: $15/hr Min Wage and Rent Increases (Now A Min Wage Discussion)

Posted on 1/17/21 at 12:02 pm to
Posted by fallguy_1978
Best States #50
Member since Feb 2018
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Posted on 1/17/21 at 12:02 pm to
You think a 10th grader bagging groceries at Winn Dixie is worth $15/hr?

The problem is that the government acts like there are tons of adults out there struggling to support a family on their minimum wage job, when in reality it's mostly young people just starting out in life.

In the case of a single mom with two kids making minimum wage, she's also getting snap, subsidized housing, free healthcare etc.
This post was edited on 1/17/21 at 12:05 pm
Posted by rocket31
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 1/17/21 at 12:15 pm to
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think a 10th grader bagging groceries at Winn Dixie is worth $15/hr?


um I never said that ...
Posted by rocket31
Member since Jan 2008
41887 posts
Posted on 1/17/21 at 12:16 pm to
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problem is that the government acts like there are tons of adults out there struggling to support a family on their minimum wage job


we have evidence that this is true

I'm also confused why we'd want to continue supporting welfare programs because these ppl are not being paid enough?
This post was edited on 1/17/21 at 12:20 pm
Posted by Dawgfanman
Member since Jun 2015
26316 posts
Posted on 1/17/21 at 12:45 pm to
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problem is that the government acts like there are tons of adults out there struggling to support a family on their minimum wage job we have evidence that this is true I'm also confused why we'd want to continue supporting welfare programs because these ppl are not being paid enough?


But we don’t.

Last stats I saw showed that 2.5% of workers earned the federal minimum wage. Heck only 8% of teen workers earned that.

Does it impact some races more than others, not really as only 3% of African American workers earn federal minimum wage.

If you look at full time workers only, the percentage drops to 1%.

The highest percentage of federal minimum wage workers were in places with lowest cost of living.

So this paints a good picture. Who earns federal minimum wage? Young workers, generally just starting at a job or in the job market at all, who are working part time in low cost of living areas.


Posted by GAFF
Georgia
Member since Aug 2010
2743 posts
Posted on 1/17/21 at 1:07 pm to
$15 min wage is the means to transfer wealth from the middle class to the upper class. All the mom and pops that won’t be able to stay open will lose their business to the corporations that are. Thus widening the gap between classes.
This post was edited on 1/17/21 at 2:53 pm
Posted by meansonny
ATL
Member since Sep 2012
26797 posts
Posted on 1/17/21 at 3:21 pm to
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he government is saying, for right or wrong, that businesses can not exploit people for cheap labor


bullshite
The government is saying that they want to kill small businesses (who Biden says employ half of the American workforce) for fortune 500s who can absorb the expenses and net gain with loss of competition.

The government is saying that blackmarket labor (for illegals most often) is more important than the american workers.

The government is saying that welfare and government dependence for the negatively effected employees is better for the big government policies chaining people since the 70s

Edit to add: wanting a job for $8/hr is not exploitation. My first job was $3/hr. 2nd job was $2.12/hr. My January 15th paystub has my hourly at $7.74. Am I exploited?
This post was edited on 1/17/21 at 3:25 pm
Posted by fallguy_1978
Best States #50
Member since Feb 2018
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Posted on 1/17/21 at 3:53 pm to
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we have evidence that this is true

I'm also confused why we'd want to continue supporting welfare programs because these ppl are not being paid enough?

If you are an adult making minimum wage you’re lucky to be employed because you have no skills to offer. I made minimum wage for all of 5 months at my first job in high school.

Those government benefits would be more lucrative to that hypothetical person than making $17/hr and not receiving them. They'd voluntarily cut their hours to remain under the income limit.
This post was edited on 1/17/21 at 3:56 pm
Posted by Nonetheless
MAGA
Member since Jan 2012
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Posted on 1/18/21 at 2:30 pm to
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the government is saying, for right or wrong, that businesses can not exploit people for cheap labor


the government is saying it is illegal to work if you can't provide $16 worth of value to the company
This post was edited on 1/18/21 at 2:31 pm
Posted by BigOrangeVols
Knoxville
Member since Jul 2015
3082 posts
Posted on 1/21/21 at 10:13 am to
I have no economic background but would it make more sense to replace minimum wage with something like a minimum proportional wage? Where a business' minimum wage is determined by its revenue and has a minimum floor (of like $7?) Would that work to curb the Walmarts of the world from profiteering off underpaid labor that the taxpayer then has to subsidize without penalizing the mom-and-pop places that operate on razor-thin margins? And have it be on a sliding scale based on location (Ie not the same in NYC as somewhere in the Boonies).

My personal opinion is that no one working a full-time job should be below the poverty line or reliant on government subsidy - that to me is a failing. So ultimately you want something in place that prevents worker exploitation without hindering entrepreneurism. I do think the federal minimum wage doesn't adequately incorporate all those external factors into figuring the wage for a given area/company but I also don't view that as an excuse to allow companies to undercompensate their labor.
This post was edited on 1/21/21 at 10:14 am
Posted by RedStickBR
Member since Sep 2009
14577 posts
Posted on 1/22/21 at 8:01 am to
There was a debate on this topic on CNBC this morning. I saw it, but couldn’t listen. If anyone has a link, please share.
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