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re: Your Reaction after Toss Dive was the first play
Posted on 9/8/15 at 10:48 am to therick711
Posted on 9/8/15 at 10:48 am to therick711
oh ok nevermind then. Back in the day my favorite running play was a counter to the weak side. I just remember gashing teams like bama with it...yes I am probably talking about the 90's also
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Posted on 9/8/15 at 10:50 am to Jeffreylebowski
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Reaction after Toss Dive
Posted on 9/8/15 at 10:50 am to Jeffreylebowski
This was my face:
:|
Then I lol'd at the thought of what Rantards must've been doing.
:|
Then I lol'd at the thought of what Rantards must've been doing.
Posted on 9/8/15 at 10:52 am to Topwater Trout
If you like misdirection, our bend play is crazy-well executed misdirection. A pretty incredible innovation that Les and Cam brought to the offense last year.
Posted on 9/8/15 at 10:57 am to therick711
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In terms of the other years, your characterization is incorrect.
Look at all that running room
Posted on 9/8/15 at 11:02 am to Choupique19
Well if you want one play to be a synopsis of why you shouldn't do something, I'll do you one better. LSU's only drive in overtime last year against Alabama. You remember the playcalling on that one. Four straight passes. Jennings went 0-4. LSU lost the game.
There is a method to LSU's madness running the ball. They stay ahead of the chains for the most part. In the series I just referenced, the first play was our scissor/FB flat attack play action. Jones dropped it. LSU was now forced to pass in a do or die situation. We all know how it worked out. So just remember that when you are thinking LSU shouldn't run the ball. They aren't really that good at throwing it. Maybe they should run it more than they do.
There is a method to LSU's madness running the ball. They stay ahead of the chains for the most part. In the series I just referenced, the first play was our scissor/FB flat attack play action. Jones dropped it. LSU was now forced to pass in a do or die situation. We all know how it worked out. So just remember that when you are thinking LSU shouldn't run the ball. They aren't really that good at throwing it. Maybe they should run it more than they do.
This post was edited on 9/8/15 at 11:07 am
Posted on 9/8/15 at 11:05 am to therick711
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, our bend play is crazy-well executed misdirection. A pretty incredible innovation that Les and Cam brought to the offense last year.
same as a stretch play?
Posted on 9/8/15 at 11:05 am to therick711
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Melvin Jones dropped it.
fify
Posted on 9/8/15 at 11:06 am to Topwater Trout
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same as a stretch play?
Similar, but the fullback also peels back which makes it unique. It is actually a compliment to the stretch play. Show weak lead, pop back into strong ISO. Very cool concept.
This post was edited on 9/8/15 at 11:09 am
Posted on 9/8/15 at 11:08 am to Jeffreylebowski
felt like this is what les is doing..
Posted on 9/8/15 at 11:10 am to therick711
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Well if you want one play to be a synopsis of why you shouldn't do something, I'll do you one better. LSU's only drive in overtime last year against Alabama. You remember the playcalling on that one. Four straight passes. Jennings went 0-4. LSU lost the game.
To show you that I'm not anit-run, I'll throw in what I believe to be the worst to offensive play calls of the Les Miles era.
Leading Clemson, with under 3 minutes left, needing one first down to clinch the ball game, LSU picked up 8 yards on a first down passing play. Now facing 2nd and 2, and facing a defense that had major issues tackling Jeremy Hill, LSU proceeded to pass the ball on 2nd and 3rd down. The 2nd down play being a bootleg with Mettenberger who had shown zero ability throughout the year to throw the ball on the run outside the pocket.
Those two plays may have been the most mad I have ever been about play selection, and that was when LSU passed the ball.
Posted on 9/8/15 at 11:14 am to therick711
I just wish sometimes LSU wasn't so deliberate in their play calling and actually tried to use some misdirection.
my worry this season is that each play maker will have a certain play out of a certain formation that makes it easy for opposing DC's to figure out where the ball is going to based on the personnel that is in the backfield etc.
I like seeing the end around, the RB pass, and the deep shot down the field. Good set up plays where next time instead of giving the ball to jackson on an end around, he's used as a decoy and the ball is passed to a WR with jackson in motion. i love misdirection plays and if there's blocking done correctly (looking at you jazz ferguson) they can go for big gains.
my worry this season is that each play maker will have a certain play out of a certain formation that makes it easy for opposing DC's to figure out where the ball is going to based on the personnel that is in the backfield etc.
I like seeing the end around, the RB pass, and the deep shot down the field. Good set up plays where next time instead of giving the ball to jackson on an end around, he's used as a decoy and the ball is passed to a WR with jackson in motion. i love misdirection plays and if there's blocking done correctly (looking at you jazz ferguson) they can go for big gains.
Posted on 9/8/15 at 11:16 am to monsterballads
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I just wish sometimes LSU wasn't so deliberate in their play calling and actually tried to use some misdirection.
im guessing you turned the channel after the first play
Posted on 9/8/15 at 11:17 am to monsterballads
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I just wish sometimes LSU wasn't so deliberate in their play calling and actually tried to use some misdirection.
Their entire I formation run game is built of of compliments and misdirection.
They have a stretch zone play and a bend play that compliment each other.
They have a toss, toss dive, and single pull power o plays that compliment each other.
The have an iso lead and misdirection (HB runs away from the FB that kicks out the end) that compliment each other.
They have their scissor PA that gets the fullback open in the flats.
They do a lot of stuff beyond that, but it is subtlety that escapes a lot of us because we aren't blocking scheme aficionados. We see runs and we're like there's another run. Not much thought is given to setting up the big hitter that we generate in the run game with our complimentary scheme.
Posted on 9/8/15 at 11:17 am to Jeffreylebowski
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I want someone to name a time it went for a TD or big gain? Anything specific come to mind? It accomplishes nothing more than a simple dive would produce. Fumble chances are increased as well.
GW TD against USC in 2012, A&M in 2012 and GW against UTenn in 2010
Posted on 9/8/15 at 11:18 am to Choctaw
5 plays against McNeese St doesn't erase the 6 previous years.
Posted on 9/8/15 at 11:19 am to Choctaw
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im guessing you turned the channel after the first play
Probably got up to grab a beer and the game was called before he got back to his chair.
Posted on 9/8/15 at 11:21 am to Alan Garner
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UTenn in 2010
Why do people keep using this play as an example? It was a one yard run that barely got into the endzone. I can name about 20 better examples of the play being successful.
Have y'all forgotten about the opening play vs Iowa?
Posted on 9/8/15 at 11:21 am to Jeffreylebowski
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Your Reaction after Toss Dive was the first play
This post was edited on 9/8/15 at 11:23 am
Posted on 9/8/15 at 11:23 am to Choupique19
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Why do people keep using this play as an example? It was a one yard run that barely got into the endzone. I can name about 20 better examples of the play being successful.
Have y'all forgotten about the opening play vs Iowa?
It is used as an example because in a run heavy defense, it creates room by slowing flow to the middle.
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