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re: You have to fire Alleva right now
Posted on 12/17/15 at 2:07 pm to TangipahoaTiger
Posted on 12/17/15 at 2:07 pm to TangipahoaTiger
My inside sources are telling me that Joe will be gone before New Years
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Posted on 12/17/15 at 2:10 pm to TheDrunkenTigah
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You have to fire Alleva right now
No.
Miles and JJ need to be fired now.
Posted on 12/17/15 at 2:12 pm to SportsGuyNOLA
How we ever hired this guy after he royally fricked up the Duke lacrosse scandal is beyond me.
Amen brother
Amen brother
Posted on 12/17/15 at 2:16 pm to TheDrunkenTigah
The hyperbole of this thread is downright shameful and childish.
Posted on 12/17/15 at 2:17 pm to Lou Pai
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I'm not missing anything. Let me help you out here.
Help me with what? You seem incapable of separating Miles status as coach with Alleva's status as AD. Alleva can be fired whether or not Miles is, and Miles can be fired whether or not Alleva is. I understand you disagree, but it leads me to believe you're misinformed.
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He is 100% not going to hire a guy that would rock the boat in his first year.
This is 100% your opinion and founded on the flimsy notion that Alexander genuinely felt that firing Miles was wrong. He didn't, as he was on board with it for week apparently, until the court of public opinion made a ruling on the price tag. The political perception made King's decision for him, but next year is a new year and the talking point has been established that a lowered buyout would come from private funds.
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It's foolish and naive to think he will allow someone in that will aid the boosters in usurping any power he has over LSU.
Did he not just stand up to Alleva and, by extension, the boosters? You believe he will have less power over someone who he hires than the guy who was here before him and just publicly embarrassed him by completely botching a failed coup? Good talk man.
Posted on 12/17/15 at 2:24 pm to TheDrunkenTigah
Someone should send Joe a crackhead stripper
Posted on 12/17/15 at 2:30 pm to TheDrunkenTigah
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You seem incapable of separating Miles status as coach with Alleva's status as AD. Alleva can be fired whether or not Miles is, and Miles can be fired whether or not Alleva is. I understand you disagree, but it leads me to believe you're misinformed.
The two are not really separable. The most important and critical thing an AD does is bring in a football coach. Everything else is secondary. LSU athletics are operating fine from a financial standpoint. You have absolutely nothing to base this incompetence angle off of, other than the poor PR of the last month or so, and the Duke lacrosse situation, which is largely irrelevant and common knowledge when he was hired.
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This is 100% your opinion and founded on the flimsy notion that Alexander genuinely felt that firing Miles was wrong. He didn't, as he was on board with it for week apparently, until the court of public opinion made a ruling on the price tag. The political perception made King's decision for him, but next year is a new year and the talking point has been established that a lowered buyout would come from private funds.
Speaking of flimsy, the court of public opinion made no such ruling. This information wasn't revealed until after the fact. The price tag was irrelevant from the standpoint of LSU's financial situation, and the decrease in the buyout was a rounding error, particularly in the context of the fabricated $15-30M numbers that certain people floated around.
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Did he not just stand up to Alleva and, by extension, the boosters? You believe he will have less power over someone who he hires than the guy who was here before him and just publicly embarrassed him by completely botching a failed coup?
No, he doesn't. You have an interesting method of reading comprehension.
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Good talk man.
Which was brought about by the histrionics of your thread, when you didn't even fully understand the circumstances of the case or the context of the "contract alterations." New information has come out since your lynch mob thread, but I'm sure it's no matter for a guy who signs off his OP post "All I want for Christmas..." like he's running for student body president of a middle school.
This post was edited on 12/17/15 at 2:34 pm
Posted on 12/17/15 at 2:35 pm to Lou Pai
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like he's running for student body president of a middle school.
I believe what you meant to say is he is running the LSU Athletic Department like a middle school student body president.
I can understand the slip up, happens all the time.
Anchors away.
This post was edited on 12/17/15 at 2:37 pm
Posted on 12/17/15 at 2:52 pm to bencoleman
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Take F-ing Alexander with him
Posted on 12/17/15 at 4:13 pm to TheDrunkenTigah
....lets not forget "Duke U LaCrosse" . We shoulda known . Joe needs to A-leave-a
Posted on 12/17/15 at 4:35 pm to Lou Pai
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The two are not really separable. The most important and critical thing an AD does is bring in a football coach. Everything else is secondary. LSU athletics are operating fine from a financial standpoint. You have absolutely nothing to base this incompetence angle off of, other than the poor PR of the last month or so, and the Duke lacrosse situation, which is largely irrelevant and common knowledge when he was hired.
I disagree with literally every statement made here. The responsibilities of the AD run much deeper than just hiring a FB coach once every 5-10 years. I'm not sure how to debate that in a way you'll accept, because you're pretty dug in here.
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Speaking of flimsy, the court of public opinion made no such ruling. This information wasn't revealed until after the fact. The price tag was irrelevant from the standpoint of LSU's financial situation, and the decrease in the buyout was a rounding error, particularly in the context of the fabricated $15-30M numbers that certain people floated around.
Not sure where you're coming up with this. The buyout figure was well discussed, and regardless of the accurate number it was sure to be a huge sum that "boosters have approved". That didn't jive with the LSU system's financial situation, and you've brought this up multiple times. Public opinion was that LSU was spending a large amount of money to oust a relatively successful coach. Again, I'm not sure how to debate that in terms that you will accept, it just simply is how things were.
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You have an interesting method of reading comprehension.
As do you, and you also seem to contradict yourself regularly in order to make a more recent point.
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New information has come out since your lynch mob thread
I just saw that, and I don't see how a statement by one lawyer is any more valid than a statement by another. In the statement LSU's counsel even admits the change was unintentional, implying that a change was made that Chavis didn't approve, but that it was inconsequential.
Posted on 12/17/15 at 4:39 pm to TheDrunkenTigah
Anchored. I guess calling for firing the AD of a school who knowingly altered a contract is a touchy subject...
Posted on 12/17/15 at 4:49 pm to TheDrunkenTigah
And you have yet to demonstrate how Alleva has been incompetent outside of the Miles situation. By any other standard, he's done an okay job. I will concede that he mishandled November. But I don't think that called for his firing, and I certainly don't think this ridiculous driveby article does, either.
Now there is a stickied thread showing LSU counsel's view on the situation. You immediately jumped on the article which was written by an either incompetent or unethical journalist citing Chavis' attorney, and called for LSU to fire Alleva. I'm not an attorney myself, but I do have some understanding of what contracts are. To me, what Barton is saying seems to be reasonable, and the terms that were "altered" and later ratified, by my understanding, are not meaningful enough to suggest Alleva was unethical or incompetent.
Now there is a stickied thread showing LSU counsel's view on the situation. You immediately jumped on the article which was written by an either incompetent or unethical journalist citing Chavis' attorney, and called for LSU to fire Alleva. I'm not an attorney myself, but I do have some understanding of what contracts are. To me, what Barton is saying seems to be reasonable, and the terms that were "altered" and later ratified, by my understanding, are not meaningful enough to suggest Alleva was unethical or incompetent.
Posted on 12/21/15 at 4:17 pm to Lou Pai
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And you have yet to demonstrate how Alleva has been incompetent outside of the Miles situation. By any other standard, he's done an okay job.
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