re: WW or MM, why can’t it be both.

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There is no excuse for this team to be dominated at home by South Carolina. That South Carolina game was a perfect example of where LSU basketball is right now.

Two terrible SEC teams playing in front of 2000 people. Maybe 6 students. Absolute silence besides the ball bouncing and shoes squeaking during the 1st half when the ball was in play. Fans sitting there bored out of their minds. Cheerleaders not interested enough to cheer. Coaches just hanging out.

What I saw is typically what happens when a team is terrible and the fanbase, coaching staff and players all know the coach is getting fired at the end of the season. This should never happen during a coach’s 1st season.

There has been no improvement in any phase this season. What we did poorly in November has not changed and I do not believe the staff knows what they are doing. Unless this team all of the sudden does a 180 and starts showing signs of life and starts winning a lot to finish the year, including some SEC tournament wins I see no reason to keep the current coaching staff.

Essentially getting blown out by South Carolina was the final straw and shows there is no hope in the program going forward. Why would any recruit want to come here if this is how it’s going to be?

The major problem we are facing with hiring a new coach is the NCAA ruling. It will be incredibly tough finding anyone while things are still up in the air. If the ruling comes soon, it looks like the best option for LSU is to find a new coach.

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Good to see you coming around and realizing the big time concerns surrounding program weren't just knee jerk reactions. South Carolina was, WAS, the worst team the SEC coming into the PMAC on Saturday. After never trailing for a single second against LSU (who was a 7.5 point favorite) they left LSU holding the distinction of being the worst in the league. The program is going nowhere under McMahon and there is NOTHING to suggest that will change in the future.

In general, I'm not one of advocate for firing a coach after one season. But this year has been such a disaster and McMahon has been so overwhelmed I don't think doing so would be unreasonable at all.

Like you said, the current state of the program and atmosphere surrounding the program is one that typically occurs when all hope is lost and the fanbase is just waiting for a regime change. We saw it in years 3 and 4 of the Johnson era. We saw it in the final season of the Jonny Jones tenure. But to see it in year ONE of a new coach's tenure is beyond troubling.

I disagree that the NCAA ruling is that big of an impediment to hiring a new coach. There is nothing to suggest LSU is going to be hit with sever sanctions. LSU has all of the resources to match Alabama, Auburn, Tennessee, Arkansas, etc in college basketball. They just have to have the right HC in place to do it.

IMO, the MUCH bigger concern in a potential coaching change is the man who would have to do it, Scott Woodward. His entire MO in coaching hires is to throw a ton of money at proven coaches. That's not a bad approach to take...when you have a desirable program to sell like LSU football or baseball or there is a proven HC on the marketplace with significant ties to your school/locale (see Louisiana native Kim Mulkey or Texas native Buzz Williams). LSU basketball didn't have that, so Woodward hired the biggest "name" he could in McMahon who had the best mid-major finish last season. But that is a lazy way of making a hire because a deeper dive into McMahon's coaching resume should have given pause for concern.

1. Prior to coming to LSU he had never played or coached in a major conference

2. He was the only HC in 34 years at Murray St. to post non-winning seasons (two of them)

3. Three of Murray’s five worst KenPom finishes in the last 25 years came with McMahon at the helm.

4. He didn't "build" the Murray St program at all. He inherited a program that had been winning for a long time before him. And the track record for Murray St. coaches making the jump to the major conf. level has been spotty at best. Steve Prohm (whom McMahon took over for at MSU) was awful at Iowa St. Billy Kennedy, who Woodward fired at A&M, had a very uneven tenure at A&M after coming over from Murray St.

Some LSU fans don't want to hear it, but a "big name" is available. Chris Beard. He's proven at the major conf. level.

Also not hiring him because he’s not coming to a shitshow with possible sanctions and Matt will get 2 more seasons at least, right or not

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Will Wade will coach again at LSU.

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They weren't just losing. They were getting stomped.

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The Kentucky & Florida losses were close for most of the game. A&M was a 13 point loss.


Bama, Auburn, Tennessee & the 2nd Arkansas games were big blowouts. If you said before the season that those 4 teams would blow us out nobody would question the prediction, but after those games is when everybody was freaking out on here.

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Why is that LSU's problem? Simply because they happened to be students? Neither were killed on campus. Neither were harmed/killed by LSU students. This was not violence against women by LSU employees/representatives. If anything, it is an indictment of the city in which LSU is located. While absolutely tragic, neither incident was the fault of the school in any way, shape, or form.

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Take the purple and gold glasses off. Anytime violent crimes are committed against LSU students within a 5 minute drive from campus, it becomes an LSU issue. Yes, it’s an indictment of the city. A city that is continuing to get worse yet there has been no public criticism of city leaders from anyone at LSU. No calls for help to clean up the slums surrounding LSU. Only thing mentioned publicly was the need to stop underage drinking.

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we’re talented enough to beat basement dwellers and lower 3rd teams

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I said we have the same talent as teams in the bottom half of the league.

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If we’re talented enough to beat and compete with upper level teams

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Don't know where you’re getting this from.

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The Kentucky & Florida losses were close for most of the game. A&M was a 13 point loss.


Bama, Auburn, Tennessee & the 2nd Arkansas games were big blowouts. If you said before the season that those 4 teams would blow us out nobody would question the prediction, but after those games is when everybody was freaking out on here.

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LSU had the lead in the A&M for approximately 2.5 minutes. By the three minute mark in the 1st half they went down by double-digits. The lead stayed above 10 for all but 15 seconds throughout the remainder of the game.

Against Alabama, Tennessee, Auburn, and Arkansas, LSU held a lead in those games for a COMBINED total of 2:21 (all of that early in the Tennessee game as they did not lead at any point vs Arkansas, Auburn and Alabama) and lost by an average margin of nearly 25 ppg. That LSU was losing those games was not necessarily unexpected. But LSU was never in those games. Decent teams generally lose to really good teams, but they often compete. Bad teams get blown out from jump. THAT is what sent up the red flags and justifiably warranted a "freak out" that this thing was headed towards rock bottom. It turns out those "freak outs" had merit because it was a sign of things to come. Some just recognized it earlier than others.

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THAT is what sent up the red flags and justifiably warranted a "freak out" that this thing was headed towards rock bottom. It turns out those "freak outs" had merit because it was a sign of things to come. Some just recognized it earlier than others.

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About like this board recognizing that Brian Kelly was a bad hire after the 1st few weeks of the season. It happens every year on here.

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Decent teams generally lose to really good teams, but they often compete. Bad teams get blown out from jump

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The top teams in the league have blown out middle to bottom tier teams a lot this year. LSU’s huge blowouts all seem to come at once in the 1st half of league play instead of spread out throughout the year. Even Missouri who you love to mention has gotten blown out by 30 multiple times, by 18+ multiple times.

Instead of waiting to see what this team could do against the bottom half of the league, this board freaked out when LSU got blown out by the top teams. For once the freak out was justified.

Our identity is slow, predictable offense and slow, soft defense. He would need Duke level talent to even be competitive at this level.

You create a lot of straw men as your only support for your opinions.

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About like this board recognizing that Brian Kelly was a bad hire after the 1st few weeks of the season. It happens every year on here.

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LSU was 4-1 (2-0) after 5 games in a season where they picked to have their lowest finish in the SEC West in 2 decades. No reasonable person was saying Kelly was a "bad hire" after the first few weeks of the season.

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The top teams in the league have blown out middle to bottom tier teams a lot this year. LSU’s huge blowouts all seem to come at once in the 1st half of league play instead of spread out throughout the year. Even Missouri who you love to mention has gotten blown out by 30 multiple times, by 18+ multiple times

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I don't particularly love Missouri. It just that they are a good comparison relative to this LSU team. 1st year HC who has a team with comprised of very few returning players and large number of transfers, several of whom coming from the HC's former mid-major school. Yes, Missouri has had their share of blowout losses this season. But they also have several things this LSU team doesn't...wins. Blowout wins over Illinois, Kentucky, and Iowa St, as well as a win AT (then) top 10 Tennessee.