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re: Would our preseason ranking be helped by Crowton leaving?
Posted on 1/8/10 at 11:55 am to Guava Jelly
Posted on 1/8/10 at 11:55 am to Guava Jelly
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Do you people really want your QB to have to learn a new system. If crowton is out, chalk up 2-3 losses next season
You can't be serious. First of all, that's a complete crap argument, I have my doubts any player will ever learn Crowton's offense, even Crowton. Moreover, a new OC would likely implement a simpler offense, with all that speed and athleticism you don't need to be fancy.
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Posted on 1/8/10 at 11:57 am to Guava Jelly
I really don't think there's anything that anyone could say that would shake you from your current madness. We're just going to have to hope that it will pass with time...
Posted on 1/8/10 at 11:58 am to Guava Jelly
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Do you people really want your QB to have to learn a new system. If crowton is out, chalk up 2-3 losses next season
Wow.
Well, you're right. We could be the 113-120th ranked offense.
So technically speaking, it could be worse.
Posted on 1/8/10 at 11:59 am to Guava Jelly
quote:we disagree that JJ learned anything this year from Crowton. we will just have to stay that way. i'm not saying JJ is the second coming, but Crowton has NEVER developed a QB to my knowledge.
Guava Jelly
This post was edited on 1/8/10 at 12:01 pm
Posted on 1/8/10 at 12:00 pm to chingonLSU
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Posted on 1/8/10 at 12:03 pm to chingonLSU
quote:Even with Brandon "brick hands" LaFell dropping all those balls huh?
so yeah his passer rating is higher than it should be
QB rating is a formula of individual stats from the QBs performance. No way to nuance that.
Sacks are not included. Bc recievers and O lineman are also involved
Posted on 1/8/10 at 12:06 pm to NimbleCat
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We have a system?
I am all for the old system being discarded.
Crowton's system is horrible.
Crowton's system has won a national title, set NCAA offensive marks for single games, and seasons and set the Bears all-time mark for Passing yards in a season. He simply has to have savvy, talented QB's ,Rattay, Flynn, RP etc. to properly execute the complicated Sh*t. Guy just can't seem to dummy down his stuff to adjust to less experienced players. Remember that if the '09 team had averaged the points and yardage of the '08 team sans turnovers we would not be having this discussion. Not blaming JJ or the Oline or just GC and LM. It was a total offensive meltdown this season and it does start with the coaches. If you have a system that a young QB and below par Oline are struggling with you simply must adapt to their abilities, running what they are best at and execute well. That is what did not happen. JJ was not asked to throw downfield as much as JL but he was still asked to execute too many plays with multiple motion, no check down guys and faulty blocking schemes. The Oline had trouble playing smash mouth ball so what do you do? More misdirection and sprint draws, plays that only require a bit of lateral movement by the Oline rather than a blunt attack at scrimmage. But again, Crowton has a system that has been proven to work...with the right players executing it. Either bring in players who can do it or change the damn scheme.
Posted on 1/8/10 at 12:06 pm to Guava Jelly
If the QB is the most intelligent player on the team, and he typically is, what the hell is the problem with "learning" a new system????? Damn, we're not dealing with 5 year olds! 
Posted on 1/8/10 at 12:07 pm to Guava Jelly
quote:i admit i don't know how passer rating are calculated, but i heard NFL QBs state that they would take sacks to help their ratings, so...
QB rating is a formula of individual stats from the QBs performance. No way to nuance that.
Sacks are not included. Bc recievers and O lineman are also involved
either way, his rating is not the point we are discussing. you imply he learned something from Crowton. i'm still asking what....
Posted on 1/8/10 at 12:09 pm to RANDY44
"Randy44", now we know that Crowton has changed his Tiger Rant message board ID to "Randy44"! 
Posted on 1/8/10 at 12:11 pm to RANDY44
quote:and this is why i want Crowton gone. Crowton screwed us major by not adjusting. all our talent and 108th in offense? FAIL
Either bring in players who can do it or change the damn scheme.
This post was edited on 1/8/10 at 12:12 pm
Posted on 1/8/10 at 12:15 pm to Guava Jelly
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I just think jj would be better served not having to learn a new offense before next season
I understand your logic completely, but this offense has been stagnant long enough. It seems insane to expect anything to change without changing some variables!
Posted on 1/8/10 at 12:15 pm to Doc Fenton
You seem to think I like crowton. I dont. I think he and miles are absolutely inept. Im just saying for JJs sake, it would be better for him not to have to learn a completely new offense.
Posted on 1/8/10 at 12:18 pm to Guava Jelly
quote:and i don't think it makes any difference. 108th? c'mon man...see the light!
You seem to think I like crowton. I dont. I think he and miles are absolutely inept. Im just saying for JJs sake, it would be better for him not to have to learn a completely new offense.
Posted on 1/8/10 at 12:18 pm to chingonLSU
quote:Ive implied that his development under crowton has been solid. He has done pretty well this season. Weather that is him learning from his own mistakes or someone teaching him I have no clue. I dont go to practices.
either way, his rating is not the point we are discussing. you imply he learned something from Crowton. i'm still asking what
My point is, I think JJ will suffer next year if he has to learn a new offense. Thus the offensive production will suffer even more. Thats all Im trying to say.
Posted on 1/8/10 at 12:19 pm to Guava Jelly
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You seem to think I like crowton. I dont. I think he and miles are absolutely inept. Im just saying for JJs sake, it would be better for him not to have to learn a completely new offense.
So, let's assume Miles actually made a good hire and brought in an up and coming OC with proven QB development skills. Do you still think JJ would be better served under Crowton for yet another season? Do you not believe there are astute OCs out there that have the ability to create an offensive scheme that JJ can manage?
Posted on 1/8/10 at 12:29 pm to coolmonk
There may well be. But jj had trouble learning the current system.
And I dont have faith enough in CLM to make a good hire at OC. Id prefer a clean house, hence the Les to mich, crowton GONE statement.
I would be in heaven if CLM went to Mich, Crowton to the moon, Chavis to UGA. Hire Muschamp as HC and get Maybe major applewhite. MAN that would be gettn it
And I dont have faith enough in CLM to make a good hire at OC. Id prefer a clean house, hence the Les to mich, crowton GONE statement.
I would be in heaven if CLM went to Mich, Crowton to the moon, Chavis to UGA. Hire Muschamp as HC and get Maybe major applewhite. MAN that would be gettn it
Posted on 1/8/10 at 12:30 pm to chingonLSU
A team's bowl performance, returning starters, recruiting, and past season performance determine your pre-season ranking. Who a teams offensive coordinator is has no bearing in where a team is ranked in any pre-season poll.
Posted on 1/8/10 at 12:31 pm to Guava Jelly
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My point is, I think JJ will suffer next year if he has to learn a new offense. Thus the offensive production will suffer even more. Thats all Im trying to say.
Which #1, is absurd, and #2, puts the interests of one player in front of those of the entire program. You say that starting from scratch is awful, but you want the program must do it anyway ... yet you want to prolong doing it for one year for the sake of just one guy. Does this sound normal to you?
Look, if you're one of those guys who's saying "I want Crowton to stay so that Miles will go faster," I guess that's at least a valid point of view. But this nonsense about how it will somehow hurt the team next year if Crowton is replaced (apparently because the stability of JJ's ever-so-fragile development is just THAT overridingly important) is sheer lunacy.
Posted on 1/8/10 at 12:34 pm to Guava Jelly
I'm not a Miles fan, but because of his hands off approach to coaching I don't see him hurting us as much as Crowton at this point. I do want Miles gone, but apart from his inept ability to manage a clock he doesn't hurt us. Maybe he knows he's an idiot and that's why he stays out of that little area of his job called "coaching." I don't know.
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