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Posted on 8/29/09 at 10:33 pm to AlwysATgr
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My point was that apart from Saban's success at LSU there was nothing on his resume that stood out. (And you were the one who brought up the Belichick (sp?)-Saban thing as if that "pro experience" carried weight).
ZONG BELICHICK IS THE BEST COACH EVER! AND SABAN WORKED FOR HIM. SO SABAN MUST BE THE SECOND BEST COACH EVER!
This is what passes for logic in Bama.
Posted on 8/29/09 at 10:34 pm to Bamalover9
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if miles got hired in 2000 LSU would still be average and that's the bottom line.
it's really difficult to construct a reply to this comment because it is so friggin' stupid. not only are you wildly speculating, you don't have a clue if you would be right or not nor is there any way to substantiate it either way. i'll say miles is such of a damn good recruiter (and that is a fact, a-hole) that LSU would have likely had a lot of success. to give all of LSU's future success to saban is simply ignorant. lsu was fortunate to hire saban and saban was fortunate to be hired by lsu. oh, and by the way, ya'll ain't won crap with saban. oh, i forgot about the independence bowl.
Posted on 8/29/09 at 10:34 pm to Volvagia
quote:I picked those 7 years because 2008 was the first year in which Miles had more than 4 starters recruited by him in the starting lineup. Your '07 championship...18 starters were recruited by Saban.
The sad thing is that you just arbitrarily picked that year because of 2008
Posted on 8/29/09 at 10:35 pm to Bamalover9
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From 1950-1999 LSU had a winning % of .611, thats good for 25th in the nation. Not exactly what I would call a powerhouse. From 2000-2007 LSU had a winning % of .79...good for SIXTH in the nation. With 2 Championships and 3 Conference Championships. POWERHOUSE!
*sigh*
If you can't see the flaw in this thinking, no one can help you.
Of course, the problem isn't you aren't thinking, you are reacting.
Posted on 8/29/09 at 10:36 pm to LSU GrandDad
quote:So good that in his first year with more than 4 starters recruited by him LSU had a pathetic season.
i'll say miles is such of a damn good recruiter (and that is a fact, a-hole) that LSU would have likely had a lot of success
Posted on 8/29/09 at 10:37 pm to Volvagia
quote:What flaw is there? The fact that LSU was basically a top 25 team before 2000? With a good year here and there? My god dude take off your blinders...your program has never been a national powerhouse.
*sigh*
If you can't see the flaw in this thinking, no one can help you.
Of course, the problem isn't you aren't thinking, you are reacting.
Posted on 8/29/09 at 10:38 pm to Bamalover9
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I picked those 7 years because 2008 was the first year in which Miles had more than 4 starters recruited by him in the starting lineup. Your '07 championship...18 starters were recruited by Saban.
There you go reacting again....
Why then didn't you apply the same standard to Saban's starting time for when his period "counted?"
Oh...Miles gets a Saban recruit correction factor.
But Saban doesn't...because he is Saban. Whatever happened changed for the better the moment he touched it.
Posted on 8/29/09 at 10:40 pm to Bamalover9
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Ignorance.
Nick Saban has a BCS national championship. Nick Saban has TWO BCS bowl victories. Nick Saban has TWO SEC championships. In a nutshell, that's Nick Saban's resume.
Les Miles has a BCS and an AP national championship. Les Miles has TWO BCS bowl victories. Les Miles has ONE SEC championship.
Urban Meyer has TWO national championships.
Pete Carroll has ONE AND A HALF national
championships and six or seven BCS bowl victories.
Bob Stoops has ONE national championships and has appeared in another national championship game.
Tressel has ONE national championship and has appeared in TWO more national championship games.
Posted on 8/29/09 at 10:41 pm to Bamalover9
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4 starters
What's the significance of "4 starters"? Most teams use a lot more than just "starters" in a game.
Posted on 8/29/09 at 10:41 pm to Volvagia
quote:1. Saban won his NC in his 4th year, with HIS players.
There you go reacting again....
Why then didn't you apply the same standard to Saban's starting time for when his period "counted?"
Oh...Miles gets a Saban recruit correction factor.
But Saban doesn't...because he is Saban. Whatever happened changed for the better the moment he touched it.
2. Starting in 2001 LSU had a large number of freshman contributors...recruited by who?
3. The talent level was not the same when Saban arrived, as it was when Miles arrived.
4. Saban's team got significantly BETTER in his 4th year with his first full team...Miles' team got significantly WORSE.
Thats why.
Saban is a proven recruiter...Miles is not. And no, I don't use Rivals to determine recruiting success. I use production and draft picks by the NFL. Saban pumped out more draft picks while at MSU than that school had seen in the previous decade. The man can recruit.
Posted on 8/29/09 at 10:42 pm to Bamalover9
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What flaw is there?
You are comparing a large period average with a relatively small tract of time. And one preselected to suit your point at that. By your logic, if we win almost every game we play for a period of 7 years....but then we lose almost every game we play in another 7 years, and then we are just above average for the rest of the time...then that means we never had a dominant period ever in that timeframe. Those 7 years of winning almost every game didn't really exist.
Your argument is more of program consistency than it is ever being a "powerhouse."
Posted on 8/29/09 at 10:42 pm to tuptiger
So, what do yall think UL will do... looking good, just without Fenroy, Des, or cherry. Just trying to break up the fighting.
Posted on 8/29/09 at 10:43 pm to Bamalover9
When was the last time bama has won anything? Get over it dude, you got LSU's left overs, deal with it. By the way, Les Miles has a better winning percentage and bowl record than Saban. 
Posted on 8/29/09 at 10:44 pm to tuptiger
quote:Whats the glaring difference here? I'll tell you.
Nick Saban has a BCS national championship. Nick Saban has TWO BCS bowl victories. Nick Saban has TWO SEC championships. In a nutshell, that's Nick Saban's resume.
Les Miles has a BCS and an AP national championship. Les Miles has TWO BCS bowl victories. Les Miles has ONE SEC championship.
Urban Meyer has TWO national championships.
Pete Carroll has ONE AND A HALF national
championships and six or seven BCS bowl victories.
Bob Stoops has ONE national championships and has appeared in another national championship game.
Tressel has ONE national championship and has appeared in TWO more national championship games.
Stoops: Took over a team in the dumps.
Carroll: Took over a team in the dumps.
Saban: Took over a team in the dumps.
Tressel: Took over a team in the dumps.
Heres the kicker...you ready for it?
Miles: Took over a loaded team stocked full of NFL talent coming off their best run in the school's history...assembled by one of the best coaches in college football.
Thats why the 4 mentioned above miles are great, and Miles is not.
Posted on 8/29/09 at 10:44 pm to Bamalover9
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Saban is a proven recruiter...Miles is not.
Posted on 8/29/09 at 10:46 pm to Bamalover9
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Saban is a proven recruiter...Miles is not.
Whoa!
By what standard does Miles have to convince someone that he's a "proven recruiter"?
Posted on 8/29/09 at 10:47 pm to Volvagia
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You are comparing a large period average with a relatively small tract of time. And one preselected to suit your point at that. By your logic, if we win almost every game we play for a period of 7 years....but then we lose almost every game we play in another 7 years, and then we are just above average for the rest of the time...then that means we never had a dominant period ever in that timeframe. Those 7 years of winning almost every game didn't really exist.
Your argument is more of program consistency than it is ever being a "powerhouse."
Find me a 7 year run like Saban gave you and I'll leave this board...2 Conference titles, 1 MNC. Find one. Any 7 year run, by your logic you should be able to find one, breaking it up right?
1999 3 8
1998 4 7
1997 9 3
1996 10 2
1995 7 4 1
1994 4 7
1993 5 6
1992 2 9
1991 5 6
1990 5 6
1989 4 7
1988 8 4
1987 10 1 1
1986 9 3
1985 9 2 1
1984 8 3 1
1983 4 7
1982 8 3 1
1981 3 7 1
1980 7 4
1979 7 5
1978 8 4
1977 8 4
1976 7 3 1
1975 5 6
1974 5 5 1
1973 9 3
1972 9 2 1
1971 9 3
1970 9 3
1969 9 1
1968 8 3
1967 7 3 1
1966 5 4 1
1965 8 3
1964 8 2 1
1963 7 4
1962 9 1 1
1961 10 1
1960 5 4 1
1959 9 2
1958 11 0
1957 5 5
1956 3 7
1955 3 5 2
1954 5 6
1953 5 3 3
1952 3 7
1951 7 3 1
1950 4 5 2
Posted on 8/29/09 at 10:48 pm to AlwysATgr
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By what standard does Miles have to convince someone that he's a "proven recruiter"?
Nothing. It's "Bamalover9" with a sum total of 18 posts 1 week before college football kicks off. Expect more of his ilk before it's all said & done.
Posted on 8/29/09 at 10:48 pm to Bamalover9
Guys...Larry Coker recruited top talent according to Rivals and Scout and where did that get them? Exactly.
Wait to see production ON THE FIELD before you judge a coach's recruiting ability. Stars mean nothing when guys line up on saturdays. If last year was any indication on Miles' recruiting, he sucks.
Wait to see production ON THE FIELD before you judge a coach's recruiting ability. Stars mean nothing when guys line up on saturdays. If last year was any indication on Miles' recruiting, he sucks.
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