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re: Would anyone like to have an intelligent conversation regarding our D?
Posted on 1/27/21 at 10:09 am to jimbeam
Posted on 1/27/21 at 10:09 am to jimbeam
Well maybe we were both just frustrated last week with this team. This is a team with getting Watford back I thought could be talking elite 8. In years past guys like him and Smart seemed to go to the draft to not get drafted or drafted late second round so I thought we might have been turning the page. So it has been frustrating.
Let’s try again shall we?
I worked for the Kentucky game. When I saw the score, I was discussed and deleted the replay so I didn’t watch it. The Texas A&M game I came in from work with them down 64-60. I remember seeing them take a 65-64 lead before falling asleep. Plan to watch the game today.
My concern is this upcoming schedule. Texas Tech has played some of the best teams in country. They are a small team and shoot the 3 well. LSU needs to rebound and eliminate second chance points. I don’t give them much of a chance against TT, but with Alabama next I am feeling better about this second game. I still don’t think they win but I think it comes down to the wire. This stretch will be huge. Three ranked teams in the next 5 plus a second game against Florida, a team they already lost to but the game is at home.
I agree with you, the switches seem to be lazy but I’m looking forward to watching the A&M game to see if that improved any.
Some of the things seem to be in season fixable so I still hold out hope. One is energy level which also leads to some of the laziness.
I still hold out hope they can right the ship. What is acceptable over the next 5 games? 3-2? Is 2-3 and not being blown out in any game with proven improvements on defense acceptable? 1-4 is a disaster in IMO and 4-1 let’s throw a party. This just seems to be a huge stretch for this year.
I know you don’t want to hear this but if this stretch goes bad they may not make the tournament. LSU is a projected 10. Texas Tech a 5, Bama 2, Florida a 7, and Tennessee a 4. Missing the tournament could make that seat hot for Wade though for next if he doesn’t fix some of those things.
Let’s try again shall we?
I worked for the Kentucky game. When I saw the score, I was discussed and deleted the replay so I didn’t watch it. The Texas A&M game I came in from work with them down 64-60. I remember seeing them take a 65-64 lead before falling asleep. Plan to watch the game today.
My concern is this upcoming schedule. Texas Tech has played some of the best teams in country. They are a small team and shoot the 3 well. LSU needs to rebound and eliminate second chance points. I don’t give them much of a chance against TT, but with Alabama next I am feeling better about this second game. I still don’t think they win but I think it comes down to the wire. This stretch will be huge. Three ranked teams in the next 5 plus a second game against Florida, a team they already lost to but the game is at home.
I agree with you, the switches seem to be lazy but I’m looking forward to watching the A&M game to see if that improved any.
Some of the things seem to be in season fixable so I still hold out hope. One is energy level which also leads to some of the laziness.
I still hold out hope they can right the ship. What is acceptable over the next 5 games? 3-2? Is 2-3 and not being blown out in any game with proven improvements on defense acceptable? 1-4 is a disaster in IMO and 4-1 let’s throw a party. This just seems to be a huge stretch for this year.
I know you don’t want to hear this but if this stretch goes bad they may not make the tournament. LSU is a projected 10. Texas Tech a 5, Bama 2, Florida a 7, and Tennessee a 4. Missing the tournament could make that seat hot for Wade though for next if he doesn’t fix some of those things.
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Posted on 1/27/21 at 12:08 pm to crowbar832001
By what metric is texas tech a good 3 pt shooting team?
Posted on 1/27/21 at 12:28 pm to crowbar832001
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agree with you, the switches seem to be lazy but I’m looking forward to watching the A&M game to see if that improved any.
I'm hearing a lot about energy and laziness, but I don't think that's as big a problem as others do. I just think Smart and Watford just don't have a lot of lateral quickness on defense and I think that can be confused with laziness when I don't think that's the case.
I do think Thomas loafs a little on defense. I don't think Days and Mwani ever loaf or play lazily, nor to I think Gaines or LeBlanc do.
On the rebounding I think the root problem with that an almost all of our defensive issues is dribble penetration, that forces help and rotations that compromise position for everything, including rebounding.
And the root cause of that may in some degree to defensive philosophy, technique and communication (which is coaching) but IMHO it's a larger degree that we have a lot of guys out there, particularly Smart and Watford, who just can't keep guys in front of them and other teams know this.
And their essential offensively so what are you giving up to take them out for defense?
Posted on 1/27/21 at 12:49 pm to josh336
It is a fair point by you. 33% against the level of competition they have been playing isn’t bad but really I should have said 3 weeks ago I thought LSU had a real chance of winning this game but now the two teams seem to be trending in opposite directions. Over the last 4 games TT has shot between 36% to 40% from 3. The only one where they were shutdown was Baylor and who blames them there? I still have no clue how they beat Texas though as Texas was shooting the lights out the gym that day. But good teams find a way to win. You are right that TT is not Baylor shooting the three but if you don’t play good D they can and will shoot close to that 40% was my point.
Posted on 1/27/21 at 1:10 pm to Tiger Ugly
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particularly Smart and Watford, who just can't keep guys in front of them and other teams know this.
I know he plays for a very average GW team and his stats are inflated because of that but I was just thinking how nice it would be to have Bishop on the team offensively especially as a distributor and defensively to guard the three. I don’t want it sound like he is all our answers but I think he would have helped a lot.
On rebounding, it seems like there is a lot of 3 point attempts that turn into offensive rebounds and not all of them are long rebounds either. I also thinking we are missing an Emmitt Williams type.
As I type this, it makes me wonder where this team would be if we could have kept both Bishop and Williams. I know all teams lose players. As great as it was that Watford and Smart stayed, I think there is still more work to be done as that seems to be two gaps this team has.
Posted on 1/28/21 at 1:37 am to Superbonics
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See Tremont Waters.....need to recruit a true PG
A big under the basket wouldn't hurt either.
Posted on 1/28/21 at 11:52 am to Dalosaqy
As far as defense goes, Cam Thomas consistently plays slow on defense. It's like he saves his energy for the offensive end a lot of times. I see a lot of screens where he's just slow to get around, and then the open guy pops the 3 on us. But what do you do? You can't sit the SEC's leading scorer. He simply has to work harder on defense.
Additionally, the energy Watford and Smart exert on defense has a massive impact on our games. When we have stretches where those two are really locking down on D, we are much, much, much better. They need to lead by example in that regard and not fall into Cam's habit of slow switches. Added to this, when Watford decides to go rebound, it's a massive difference. He is probably the single most critical player for us on both ends of the floor. He can do more to control the game than just by scoring like Cam. Watford is critical.
I like what I see defensively from Mwani Wilkinson most of the time. And Days is not really great, but he never really has an off night either. He's consistently good without ever dipping too far or peaking too high.
Mixed bag from Gaines, Cook, etc. I think Gaines shows a lot of energy, but his size can be a problem on switches. Cook seems to be more heady and prepared when he's on the floor, but I can't really recall seeing him being particular great or terrible. Maybe he's kind of the Darius Days of the guards. :)
Additionally, the energy Watford and Smart exert on defense has a massive impact on our games. When we have stretches where those two are really locking down on D, we are much, much, much better. They need to lead by example in that regard and not fall into Cam's habit of slow switches. Added to this, when Watford decides to go rebound, it's a massive difference. He is probably the single most critical player for us on both ends of the floor. He can do more to control the game than just by scoring like Cam. Watford is critical.
I like what I see defensively from Mwani Wilkinson most of the time. And Days is not really great, but he never really has an off night either. He's consistently good without ever dipping too far or peaking too high.
Mixed bag from Gaines, Cook, etc. I think Gaines shows a lot of energy, but his size can be a problem on switches. Cook seems to be more heady and prepared when he's on the floor, but I can't really recall seeing him being particular great or terrible. Maybe he's kind of the Darius Days of the guards. :)
Posted on 1/28/21 at 12:51 pm to SeanLSU
Days is the perfect 3rd-4th option. Here are some fun numbers.
Days leads all starters in Defensive Rating and Offensive Box Plus Minus.
He's behind only Mwani in Box Plus Minus and True Shooting %. If the season ended today, he would have the 8th highest BPM since 2010.
Days is only behind Shareef in rotational guys in Defensive Rebounding %.
Days is only behind Leblanc in rotational guys in Offensive Rebounding %.
He's 37 of 42 shooting close 2's -- that's #4 in the country and #1 in a power conference of players who have attempted more than 10 shots.
He's shooting 40% from 3 on 65 attempts which is 2nd on the team behind Javonte.
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Since 2010 at LSU...
Last season Days put up the 9th highest Player Efficiency Rating since 2010.
If this season ended today, Days would have the 6th highest PER.
If this season ended today, Days would have the 2nd highest Offensive Box Plus Minus. Last season he was #6 since 2010.
If this season ended today, Days would have the 6th highest Defensive Rebound %. Last season he was #8 since 2010.
If this season ended today, Days would have the 8th highest Offensive Rebound %. Last season he was #4 since 2010.
If this season ended today, Days would have the 2nd highest ranked season in True Shooting Percentage since 1985 -- ahead of bests from Shaq, Macklin, and Bass.
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This is not to say that he's a better player than Shaq or had a better offensive impact than Tremont Waters. You can pick and choose numbers anywhere to give an illusion that one player is better than the other. The point is Days has done a ton for this team the past two seasons. He's very positively impacted our offense, our defense, and our rebounding, and is squarely our most well rounded player. Days IS great for what his role is as a 3rd or 4th option.
Days leads all starters in Defensive Rating and Offensive Box Plus Minus.
He's behind only Mwani in Box Plus Minus and True Shooting %. If the season ended today, he would have the 8th highest BPM since 2010.
Days is only behind Shareef in rotational guys in Defensive Rebounding %.
Days is only behind Leblanc in rotational guys in Offensive Rebounding %.
He's 37 of 42 shooting close 2's -- that's #4 in the country and #1 in a power conference of players who have attempted more than 10 shots.
He's shooting 40% from 3 on 65 attempts which is 2nd on the team behind Javonte.
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Since 2010 at LSU...
Last season Days put up the 9th highest Player Efficiency Rating since 2010.
If this season ended today, Days would have the 6th highest PER.
If this season ended today, Days would have the 2nd highest Offensive Box Plus Minus. Last season he was #6 since 2010.
If this season ended today, Days would have the 6th highest Defensive Rebound %. Last season he was #8 since 2010.
If this season ended today, Days would have the 8th highest Offensive Rebound %. Last season he was #4 since 2010.
If this season ended today, Days would have the 2nd highest ranked season in True Shooting Percentage since 1985 -- ahead of bests from Shaq, Macklin, and Bass.
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This is not to say that he's a better player than Shaq or had a better offensive impact than Tremont Waters. You can pick and choose numbers anywhere to give an illusion that one player is better than the other. The point is Days has done a ton for this team the past two seasons. He's very positively impacted our offense, our defense, and our rebounding, and is squarely our most well rounded player. Days IS great for what his role is as a 3rd or 4th option.
This post was edited on 1/28/21 at 12:53 pm
Posted on 1/28/21 at 3:09 pm to kadillak
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squarely our most well rounded player.
Yep, that's kind of the impression I was trying to give without all the stats you were able to support it with. He's well-rounded. Not going to peak and be some dominant alpha on one night, nor is he going to just completely go cold and disappear. He just consistently chugs along with good production. He's the reliable pickup truck instead of the supercar that needs expensive work from time to time.
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