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re: With the AD that hired Orgeron on the way out
Posted on 4/17/19 at 2:52 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Posted on 4/17/19 at 2:52 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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we're in the same range as Les' last few years.
quote:I don't care about wins over cupcake OOC teams or shitty bowl opponents. I care about the SEC, because winning the West, getting to Atlanta, and getting a playoff bid is our true goal.
We haven't gone 8-5
O has gone 6-2 and 5-3 in the SEC.
His last 4 full years, Les' SEC record was:
6-2
5-3
4-4
5-3
That's the same range, fella.
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Posted on 4/17/19 at 2:54 pm to atltiger6487
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I don't care about wins over cupcake OOC teams or shitty bowl opponents.
Ah, gotcha. W/L don't matter, other stuff is more important
Good to know.
Posted on 4/17/19 at 2:54 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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We haven't gone 8-5
We have lost to mid-majors. and A&M. And Mississippi State by a record-setting amount.
Posted on 4/17/19 at 2:55 pm to GeauxJoeGeaux
Hey man, there's a guy on this site that goes by the handle "Buckeye jeaux",ever heard of him?
Posted on 4/17/19 at 2:57 pm to Damone
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We have lost to mid-majors. and A&M. And Mississippi State by a record-setting amount.
Yep
But we haven't gone 8-5
Take Orgerons 34 games, compare to Les's last 34 games. Compare the records and see if there is improvement
Posted on 4/17/19 at 2:59 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:Interesting how you're not responding to the fact that O has gone 6-2 and 5-3 in the SEC, and how that's in-line with Les his last 4 full years.
Ah, gotcha. W/L don't matter, other stuff is more important
Good to know.
Posted on 4/17/19 at 3:02 pm to atltiger6487
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Interesting how you're not responding to the fact that O has gone 6-2 and 5-3 in the SEC, and how that's in-line with Les his last 4 full years.
Nope. We need improvement but that's not why Les was fired.
I d see changes being made for the better
Posted on 4/17/19 at 3:05 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Ahh, move the posts. I was just going by the 4 years posted
I was simply stating that since it looked like a wash for the previous years, let's look further back. Not trying to move the post only suggesting (should have done that better) that only time will determine the quality of the Orgeron hire.
Don't give me a hard time, Roger. You're one of my tRant heroes, you may damage my sensitive soul.
This post was edited on 4/17/19 at 3:06 pm
Posted on 4/17/19 at 3:07 pm to Damone
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Help me see it, direct me to an objective metric of how the program is in better shape than before he was hired.
No metric will make you see it. Every year he has addressed a need. Kicking game, punting, quarterback. We were on a decline with Miles. Not record wise but quarterback wise and offensive scheme. That is changing my friend and if you can't see this i can't help or make you see it. Remember there is going to only be 1 natl champ. So 130 schools can bitch the same way you are about things. It also seems the 2 best coaches are in place and will stay there for awhile. So they along with other schools going all in on football will make it more difficult to succeed. So I think a top 5 finish is very successful and should make most fans happy. But some will only be happy with a natty. So as a fan I am in a pretty good spot right now and looking forward to this season.
Posted on 4/17/19 at 3:08 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Lol so now it wasn’t you who said it it was the administration? Lmao boy you’re more pathetic than I even realized.
Posted on 4/17/19 at 3:10 pm to mdomingue
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I was simply stating that since it looked like a wash for the previous years, l
I'm pretty sure everyone agrees LSU needs to step forward this
Season and we are in a position to do so. It's a huge year for Orgeron.
Year 3 is generally considered the year a coach comes into his own. But I don't think changing ADs changes anything.
Posted on 4/17/19 at 3:11 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:well that's wonderfully vague.
I d see changes being made for the better
All coaches make changes, and hopefully they're for the better. But what specific changes do you see being for the better?
Bringing in Burrow? I'll give you that one. But what else? Great recruiting? Les did that too.
Bringing in Joe Brady? OK, but our passing game was not good last year, so I'd argue there's nowhere to go but up. What about hiring an OC and then firing him after one year? Then hiring our TE coach who hadn't been an OC in forever?
Are those "changes for the better?"
Regardless, it's all about results on the field, and O has "held serve" so far. But we were sold on O getting us to the next level, so "changes for the better" and "upward incline" isn't what we need -- it's results on the field.
This post was edited on 4/17/19 at 3:12 pm
Posted on 4/17/19 at 3:14 pm to atltiger6487
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well that's wonderfully vague.
Not really
But nothing will convince people who don't want to believe. It will play out. I like what I'm seeing this year
Posted on 4/17/19 at 3:14 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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I'm pretty sure everyone agrees LSU needs to step forward this
Season and we are in a position to do so. It's a huge year for Orgeron.
I agree. Folks who think this has an immediate impact on much other than the AD's office itself are looking for the wrong kind of AD.
Assessment will be required. No coach who is winning and at least holding steady will be immediately terminated by any AD worth having.
I do think it could infuse energy and a sense of purpose into athletics in general fairly quickly, though. All of that will be related to the person hired and their particular MO/style.
Posted on 4/17/19 at 3:15 pm to Tiger on the Rag
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Every year he has addressed a need. Kicking game, punting
Was the kicking game bad under Miles?
And Tracy was a one year stopgap. It remains to be seen how that will look this year.
Was punting bad? Von Rosenberg joined the team under Miles.
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quarterback. We were on a decline with Miles.
Etling was a Miles guy. Brennen was a Miles guy. Burrow is a Meyer guy that O onlubhad to beat out Cincinnati to get.
And just like Tracy we have no idea if the QB position will be any better once the already prepped Burrow is gone. Brennen is a Miles recruit after all.
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It also seems the 2 best coaches are in place and will stay there for awhile. So they along with other schools going all in on football will make it more difficult to succeed
Was it easier to succeed when Miles was fired for essentially the same results that O has gotten?
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So I think a top 5 finish is very successful and should make most fans happy
Would be great. What happens if we don’t finish top 5 (pre bowls, as that is what matters when judging how close we are getting to the CFP)
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So as a fan I am in a pretty good spot right now and looking forward to this season.
Who isn’t?
Does that mean that we can’t also have some concerns about how things may look after this season?
Posted on 4/17/19 at 3:18 pm to Tiger Voodoo
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Brennen was a Miles guy.
He decommitted after Miles was fired. His whole time at LSU has been under O.
Posted on 4/17/19 at 3:18 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:again, no details, just vague praise. And no, I don't "believe" - I need hard facts and real results. "Believing" is just blind faith, and I'm not about that.
But nothing will convince people who don't want to believe. It will play out. I like what I'm seeing this year
But I do agree that it will all play itself out on the field, so let's watch and see and hope for a hell of a year.
Posted on 4/17/19 at 3:21 pm to Tiger Voodoo
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Does that mean that we can’t also have some concerns about how things may look after this season?
You are right. Have all the concerns you can think of. My concern is Bama and always will be as long as Saban is there. They win and recruit at a level like no other and they are in the sec west. Other than that, I see the program in a good light at this time.
Posted on 4/17/19 at 3:23 pm to atltiger6487
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Believing" is just blind faith, and I'm not about that.
Is talent, experience and a more modern day offense "blind faith?" I don't see it that way. It's set up to be a very good year imo and we have good reason to feel good about it.
But optimism is part of being a fan. Yes, every offseason we get hyped into thinking the best but that's what fans do. It's always been this way and will never change.
If not, we would just be observers
Posted on 4/17/19 at 3:24 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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He decommitted after Miles was fired. His whole time at LSU has been under O.
He and Narcisse decommited when the football coach tried to go after Tua.
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