re: Will the Trent Johnson Bromance continue..

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he did the damn thing his first year when he had TALENT. Now he has Derenbecker as his prized recruit over the last 2 years, which is just laughable... let the guy get some more of his guys and some better recruits

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He has had 3 years to bring in "his guys" and only one of them, Turner, is worth a damn. Your argument is like a wet paper bag.

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is anyone happy at this point, no. however, changing coaches now is the worst thing you can do. it keeps you in the cellar

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This is the argument that we kept hearing in football during the 90's. It was true one time, when we fired Archer and hired Hallman. But again, we needed to let Archer go and went lazy and cheap on his replacement. Same thing with basketball.

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This is the argument that we kept hearing in football during the 90's. It was true one time, when we fired Archer and hired Hallman. But again, we needed to let Archer go and went lazy and cheap on his replacement. Same thing with basketball.

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The problem here is that we are paying TJ well. Not exactly similar.

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Curious but look at the past 2 seasons. Look at the state of our program. Please justify keeping him

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The past two seasons really don't bother me. Johnson inherited a pretty good team but they were all seniors. And, anyone who listened to Johnson when he was hired knew that his program building approach was going to require 3 or 4 real recruiting classes (you have to ignore the first year) before it started paying off. He was hired under that premise. Alleva knew that was the plan.

Last year was going to be very ugly and anyone could see that. This year had some promising freshman entering. The hope was that Malcolm White would be a huge addition, but that just hasn't been the case. I don't think this team would be even decent under any other coach in the SEC. None of them could make this team competitive.

The point is that if I were the AD and I had to make a decision on Trent Johnson today, I really wouldn't consider the record over the last two years to make a decision. I would try to project into the next two years based on the talent he has brought in recently and the talent he has coming in next year.

And, based on that, if I had to make a decision today, I'd keep him. I'm giving Johnson at least 1 more year and probably 2.

You guys who are up in arms because of the record over the last two years simply didn't know enough to expect it. If your only method of analysis is looking at a record, then your conclusions can very often be wrong.

There are fair criticisms of Johnson for sure. And, I wouldn't go throw a long term extension at him obviously. But, i also wouldn't pull the plug right when the hard work is expected to pay off either.

Damn I've been doing it all wrong. I've been trying to produce and bring business in for my company. What I really needed to do was come up with a Trent Johnson business plan from day one, and tell my boss that I wasn't going to bring shite in once I managed the accounts that existed before I was hired. I should have told him that I was on the 4 year plan. That way, if things got worse over years 2 and 3, I could always fall back on saying, "well I told you from day one that things would not get better for a good 3 or 4 years."

That is basically what TJ's plan was right?

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Everybody keeps saying that TJ is "turning it around". We didn't need a coach to come in and re-invent the wheel. It's not like Brady had the program in absolute shambles.

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I disagree. I think the "program" was in very bad shape when Brady left.

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his first season was a success. But then again, who wouldn't have had a success with Mitchell, Thornton, and Temple?

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You mean besides Brady?

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Damn I've been doing it all wrong. I've been trying to produce and bring business in for my company. What I really needed to do was come up with a Trent Johnson business plan from day one, and tell my boss that I wasn't going to bring shite in once I managed the accounts that existed before I was hired. I should have told him that I was on the 4 year plan. That way, if things got worse over years 2 and 3, I could always fall back on saying, "well I told you from day one that things would not get better for a good 3 or 4 years."

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That is a very over-simplistic analogy.

Because anyone with half a brain can easily come up with a business analogy that involves a 4 year investment for a payoff.

I wouldn't argue with anyone who has the opinion that Trent Johnson just won't be able to get the job done and therefore needs to go (assuming there was sound logic and reasoning behind it).

But, the people who are saying Johnson should go based on the results of the last two seasons just didn't know enough about basketball and the state of this program to expect it. People who are pointing out the record over the last two years are completely missing the mark, IMO.

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lsu has had three decent season's in the last 22 years.

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The following seasons are, at the very least, decent:
89-90, 90-91, 91-92, 92-93, 99-00, 02-03, 04-05, 05-06, 08-09.

There are another 5 that I would consider "decent." The argument could be made that we had 3 "great" seasons, but you were going for hyperbole to try to strengthen your point.

Lets face it guys, our coach SUCKS & for u people think it will greatly improve next year need to put the pipe down!

Yeah I will take a job with 3 pros on it and win the SEC, then in my second year i get to have tasmin mitchell, storm warren, bo spencer, and garrett green, then in my third year i get to have storm warren, garrett green and would have had bo spencer if i wouldn't have kicked him off the team after using him for two years. Let me tell you that is really taking over a program in shambles give me a break. The reason this program is in shambles is because he did not sign one kid (recruit) in his first two years here. Then in his third year he finally signs one kid that can play Ralston Turner that is why this program is such a mess. John Brady left this guy plenty to work with he screwed it up. All he had to do is what he doing now, find a couple juco kids that can play or sign maybe one of the kids he was recruiting for Stanford. He kept selling us on building a program then he signs Eddie Ludwig and Chris Bass, then Malcolm White was "the help is on the way guy", he lost me on the building a program when he signed those kids. He did nothing, if he signs a couple of kids in his second year they would be juniors next year which eddie ludwig will be that's what TJ has to show for in his fourth year. He is now in full blown panic mode because he knows andre stringer is terrible, dbecker is a project and malcolm white is a bust. Other than that he will be depending on two of brady's players next year in his fourth year to help him save his job. O'bryant will be a green freshman that hopefully will be some help, other than that as of today he has no one coming here for most people to think it will be much better next year. The argument he took brady's players and won the SEC is complete bullshite, tasmin mitchell not playing the whole year is huge, brady wins at least 8 more games with Tas on that team, anthony randolph was a raw freshman who was getting better as the year went on and obviously should have stayed one more year. JB could have done the same thing TJ did and for people to think he couldn't is ignorant he had done before, once on probation. The bottom line is TJ screwed this program up and unless he signs a stud out of juco we will be in the same boat next year, sitting home in March come tourney time. TJ is solely responsible for this mess. No One else. He is the wrong guy for this job and has been since day one.