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Posted on 10/26/10 at 2:56 pm to OBUDan
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Stacking the box means having more defenders than they can block
Oh really? So that defines stacking the box? No, not really.
Posted on 10/26/10 at 2:58 pm to Chicken
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Dan, with all due respect, we didn't "Stack the box" and gave up over 400 yards rushing...we will never know if stacking the box would have yielded a different/worse result.
This really doesn't have to do with LSU. It has to do with offensive philosophies in general.
The way Auburn lines up doesn't allow anyone to stack the box. It just doesn't.
Again, I'll take evidence. If someone wants to show me a defense that "stacked the box" against a 4 WR, 5 OL, single back set, I'll eat crow.
Posted on 10/26/10 at 2:58 pm to OBUDan
good post, however i would have at least considered using a 5 man front, that's the thing that I was most dissapointed in.
You mentioned pick your posion... for Au it is cam newton and this guy is a runner.
Hes not a bad passer, but as he has proven, his strength is carrying the football.
Take away one aspect of their offense and dare them to beat you with the other.
It was at least worth a look.
You mentioned pick your posion... for Au it is cam newton and this guy is a runner.
Hes not a bad passer, but as he has proven, his strength is carrying the football.
Take away one aspect of their offense and dare them to beat you with the other.
It was at least worth a look.
Posted on 10/26/10 at 2:59 pm to OBUDan
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The way Auburn lines up doesn't allow anyone to stack the box. It just doesn't.
We got outcoached, plain and simple.
Posted on 10/26/10 at 2:59 pm to OBUDan
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We chose to play them with 5 DBs most of the game. If you went "big" in terms of bringing in LBers, you have major liabilities in pass coverage.
Yes, our secondary is the best part of our team, but even an unaccomplished passer like Newton would dissect a defense leaving 2 WRs uncovered.
you took the biggest leap of faith, basically ever here
just b/c you have LBs in, does not mean you're leaving WRs open
OSU is perhaps the best team at shutting down the spread option now, and they typically go with a 4-3 look to do it
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If we stacked the box, everyone on here would be asking why the frick we allowed Cameron Newton to throw for 300 yards and had WRs running wide open down the field all day.
why would either happen?
other than the fact that newton looks to adams 1st, 2nd, and sometimes 3rd, it's not like our LBs and coverage just say "frick it" and forget about WRs
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3) It becomes a game of pick your poison.
newton: great runner, mediocre passer
we picked to shut down the passing game
Posted on 10/26/10 at 2:59 pm to Broham
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Oh really? So that defines stacking the box? No, not really.
Eh.
You are going to say "having 8 in there is stacking the box."
People put 8 in the box to counteract two TE sets etc. Which would make it a 7 man line, which would give you more defenders than they can block... thus stacking the box...
Posted on 10/26/10 at 3:00 pm to Geauxld Finger
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What's even more difficult is picking whether to zone or man up. if you man up you can bring more pressure, but your outside defenders will have their backs to the ball. if you zone, he can run for chunks of yardage as he did saturday.
man outside and zone inside, essentially
Posted on 10/26/10 at 3:01 pm to OBUDan
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and everything to do with the failure of our front 4 to generate any sort of a push.
hard to generate a push when you're told to play contain pretty much all game
Posted on 10/26/10 at 3:01 pm to BT
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good post, however i would have at least considered using a 5 man front, that's the thing that I was most dissapointed in.
Now that is something I would have liked to see.
We did it against WVU with a front like this:
Sam Drake Brockers Pep Ag.
And then Shep or Baker was lined up outside Ag. That probably would have given us a better chance at controlling the LOS with still giving us the option of having defenders spread out to cover their WRs.
Posted on 10/26/10 at 3:01 pm to SlowFlowPro
there was no reason for us to play with a deep safety
Posted on 10/26/10 at 3:01 pm to OBUDan
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Sure, if you walk a safety into the box and leave a man uncovered,
who is uncovered?
Posted on 10/26/10 at 3:01 pm to OBUDan
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You are going to say "having 8 in there is stacking the box."
You trying to say 5 is stacking the box....not hardly man.
Posted on 10/26/10 at 3:02 pm to OBUDan
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OBUDan
These guys will NEVER understand it. It was said BEFORE the game that the key would be a PUSH up the middle. THAT NEVER HAPPENED. LSU's defense was a HORRIBLE match-up because we are smaller up front than most.
Plain and simple we got out manned up front on BOTH sides of the ball. IF you can't see that then I feel sorry for you.
Posted on 10/26/10 at 3:03 pm to Chicken
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Dan, with all due respect, we didn't "Stack the box" and gave up over 400 yards rushing...we will never know if stacking the box would have yielded a different/worse result.
all i know is the safe, deep/soft zone, contain DL has never worked against a good spread option team as far as i know
and i've watched a ton of teams run spread option offenses
Posted on 10/26/10 at 3:04 pm to OBUDan
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But leaving unmarked receivers is the death of any defense.
and the absolute flaw in your logic is that receivers would not be covered
Posted on 10/26/10 at 3:05 pm to OBUDan
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The way Auburn lines up doesn't allow anyone to stack the box. It just doesn't.
Again, I'll take evidence. If someone wants to show me a defense that "stacked the box" against a 4 WR, 5 OL, single back set, I'll eat crow.
OSU does it routinely
they typically play cover 3 and have everyone else playing within 10 yards of the LOS
Posted on 10/26/10 at 3:06 pm to OBUDan
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You are going to say "having 8 in there is stacking the box."
People put 8 in the box to counteract two TE sets etc. Which would make it a 7 man line, which would give you more defenders than they can block... thus stacking the box...
uh
typically "Stacking teh box" means you play with 4 LBs and 4 DL, with your SS moving up to the LB level
Posted on 10/26/10 at 3:07 pm to DEANintheYAY
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These guys will NEVER understand it. It was said BEFORE the game that the key would be a PUSH up the middle. THAT NEVER HAPPENED.
the DL were playing contain and not pushing up field
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