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re: Why you are wrong to count out Jarrett Lee
Posted on 4/4/11 at 6:51 pm to Powerman
Posted on 4/4/11 at 6:51 pm to Powerman
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But in the middle of the season when JJ was playing poorly I don't think it was unreasonable for people to want JL get more opportunities. Particularly given how well he played against Tenn and UF
of course
I was one of them
i'm just telling roger that there are people that want JL to play because he is white. I know these people. I talk to them all the time at work.
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Posted on 4/4/11 at 6:54 pm to TheDoc
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i'm just telling roger that there are people that want JL to play because he is white. I know these people. I talk to them all the time at work.
There's a lot of them.
But Roger is right, there are also plenty of black people who would like JJ to play simply because he is black.
Posted on 4/4/11 at 6:55 pm to TheDoc
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i'm just telling roger that there are people that want JL to play because he is white. I know these people. I talk to them all the time at work.
Right. And we all know that. I guess I just don't see the point of hammering that point to death. Because all that does is suggest that any criticism of JJ is racist and deflects from any actual conversation.
Posted on 4/4/11 at 6:58 pm to OBUDan
Lees clutch play in those two football games allowed LSU to win. I don't understand which part pelf that you don't understand or get but if you insist on being that stubborn about fine, you are the one who looks foolish.
Why you feel the need to fan the fire on a guy who is one of the least popular qb lsu has ever had is beyond me.
His play, his attitude and his leadership skills has had far more bearing on this opinion many LSU fans share than the color of his skin ever has or will.
As I said earlier man, I know you don't like to hear that but its the truth so be an adult and deal with it.
Why you feel the need to fan the fire on a guy who is one of the least popular qb lsu has ever had is beyond me.
His play, his attitude and his leadership skills has had far more bearing on this opinion many LSU fans share than the color of his skin ever has or will.
As I said earlier man, I know you don't like to hear that but its the truth so be an adult and deal with it.
Posted on 4/4/11 at 7:01 pm to TheLurch30
quote:so you discounted thos game winning drives last season, I see where you are going.
Why you are wrong to count ON JL: his entire career minus one pass during the Auburn game. And that's a stretch for the kid.
Posted on 4/4/11 at 7:14 pm to TheDoc
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i'm just telling roger that there are people that want JL to play because he is white. I know these people. I talk to them all the time at work
I'd like to see Seth Mannon play because he only has one arm. Do fans only want Mett because he's white?
The point is, the debate is completely valid without bringing race into it, even though I think JJ is the right choice.
Posted on 4/4/11 at 7:16 pm to Bojangles
What was clutch about Lee throwing a pick in the RZ vs. Tennessee (which was a dreadful decision)?
You are being selective in what you plays you term important.
Popularity is irrelevant. I'm not fanning any flame.
You are proving my point that other than just a pure preference for Lee, you have no objective argument for why he's a better option. It's basically just throwing something at the wall and hoping it sticks type of logic.
You are being selective in what you plays you term important.
Popularity is irrelevant. I'm not fanning any flame.
You are proving my point that other than just a pure preference for Lee, you have no objective argument for why he's a better option. It's basically just throwing something at the wall and hoping it sticks type of logic.
Posted on 4/4/11 at 7:21 pm to OBUDan
I just don't get why Lee is the one beingtrumpeted?
Mett, okay. We've yet to see him fail or succeed. There's unknown there. But with Lee we've seen all he has to offer..
Mett, okay. We've yet to see him fail or succeed. There's unknown there. But with Lee we've seen all he has to offer..
Posted on 4/4/11 at 7:23 pm to OBUDan
quote:I laughed.....
If they wanted wins above all, they'd all love JJ, as he's on his way to being the winningest QB in LSU history.
and not because the statement is untrue but because there are so many more layers than just wins involved.
This post was edited on 4/4/11 at 7:34 pm
Posted on 4/4/11 at 7:25 pm to OBUDan
quote:just to play devils advocate. We've seen all Lee has to offer but not JJ?
Mett, okay. We've yet to see him fail or succeed. There's unknown there. But with Lee we've seen all he has to offer..
Posted on 4/4/11 at 7:29 pm to OBUDan
If you consider lee int vs tenn dreadful (which was a fade to ridley in the enzone with single cov) please attempt to explain what jj int was in the same game ?
This should be good.
This should be good.
Posted on 4/4/11 at 7:32 pm to OBUDan
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I just don't get why Lee is the one beingtrumpeted?
outside of this thread (by a notoriously horrendous thread starter) and the typical comments from the RobbBobbs of the board, I don't see much in the way of Lee support.
Posted on 4/4/11 at 7:34 pm to TruLsu
Maybe.
When's he's been good he's shown the ability to run and throw, deep and short.
Lee has never shown a willingness to operate in the pocket, nor do any more than dink and dunk (which might work for Texas Tech Leach style but not what we do).
When's he's been good he's shown the ability to run and throw, deep and short.
Lee has never shown a willingness to operate in the pocket, nor do any more than dink and dunk (which might work for Texas Tech Leach style but not what we do).
Posted on 4/4/11 at 7:36 pm to Bojangles
An equally poor decision.
Difference is you have two guys who struggle throwing the ball, one that can still do other things for your offense.
Difference is you have two guys who struggle throwing the ball, one that can still do other things for your offense.
Posted on 4/4/11 at 7:36 pm to OBUDan
quote:The LSU passing game the past 2 seasons... Thank you Crowton
dink and dunk
oh and Jefferson is just as guilty of the dink and dunk.... Both QB's last year attempted to put the ball downfield.... Jefferson had success later in the year which became helpful. Lee had more than a few nice throws downfield last year as well.
This post was edited on 4/4/11 at 7:41 pm
Posted on 4/4/11 at 7:43 pm to OBUDan
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When's he's been good he's shown the ability to run and throw, deep and short.
I wouldn't quite go that far, if you take out routes where he basically just has to hit a semi-stationary receiver, I'd guess his completion percentage would be low. Lee can make more throws than JJ, he just doesn't have good recognition of the D and makes throws he shouldn't make under pressure. There have been times when the running game opened up a bit when Lee came in because the D had to account for different routes, the safety couldn't cheat as much. The advantage for JJ is his running ability and the fact that he doesn't seem to get as rattled after a big hit. If Lee didn't panic and throw the ball up for grabs, he'd probably seriously challenge for the starting job.
Posted on 4/4/11 at 7:46 pm to OBUDan
An equally poor decision?
One was a fade the other was an underthrown ball into triple coverage, at least be somewhat honest.
And if jlee struggles throwing the ball then there isn't a word to describe jj's ability to throw, my bad yes there is 109th will work.
One was a fade the other was an underthrown ball into triple coverage, at least be somewhat honest.
And if jlee struggles throwing the ball then there isn't a word to describe jj's ability to throw, my bad yes there is 109th will work.
Posted on 4/4/11 at 7:50 pm to OBUDan
quote:I don't get this, in 2008 he did a little more than dink and dunk. Yes he isn't a running qb and has more trouble avoiding pressure than JJ. In 2009 JJ threw more downfield than he did in 2010 but took a ton of sacks and tried to scramble at any sense of pressure. 2010 he didn't do this and he couldn't hit anything deep until mid season it seemed, which he turned his game up dramatically. And yes I agree when he is good he has shown the ability to run and throw well. The problem is the consistency of this happening. Lee hasn't had consistent playing time since 2008 so how do we know if he has shown it all? I thought he played pretty damn well this past season in limited playing time. Especially being the go to QB with the game on the line and it being a passing situation.
Lee has never shown a willingness to operate in the pocket, nor do any more than dink and dunk (which might work for Texas Tech Leach style but not what we do).
Posted on 4/4/11 at 7:51 pm to OBUDan
quote:
I agree.
But why now?
Why are people saying not to discount a scholarship QB, when the other guy has been shaky?
quote:
I mean, from where are people drawing the idea that Lee should be the starter of the 2011 team?
How many people are stating this?? Is there like a whole Lee fan club that is rallying as we speak? I hope you realize message board fodder is somewhat different from reality.
Posted on 4/4/11 at 7:53 pm to TheDoc
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i'm just telling roger that there are people that want JL to play because he is white. I know these people. I talk to them all the time at work
Of course there are. There are also blacks for JJ. This isn't the majority of your fanbase.
Where where you following the '08 season?
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