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re: Why we should pull for Auburn
Posted on 12/2/10 at 12:41 pm to Navytiger74
Posted on 12/2/10 at 12:41 pm to Navytiger74
Keep it in the conference. Same reason I admittedly pulled for bama last season. Keep the SEC top dog for as long as possible.
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Posted on 12/2/10 at 12:41 pm to nycajun
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And they did it with a quarterback who cheated. Anybody who believes Cam didn't know what was going on isn't dealing with reality very well. Just because the NCAA hasn't been able to prove it (yet) doesn't mean the blindingly obvious didn't happen.
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3. At this point, they officially didn't cheat
See 2. Just because a jury acquitted OJ, does that mean you'd let him babysit your kids? Date your daughter?
1. I don't have any daughters. But if I did, no, they couldn't date the Juice (My daughters would be toddlers because I'm only 27, and OJ is in his 60s...and a murderer...and in jail for a separate set of felonies.)
2. You didn't address my point. Cam didn't cheat on the field. Allegedly, his father received incentives to steer him toward Auburn. Point is, the only school that really lost out was MissSt. Because he wasn't considering anyone else. And MissSt. could well have beaten us and Bama with Cam. So we'd still be in the same spot.
This post was edited on 12/2/10 at 12:46 pm
Posted on 12/2/10 at 12:42 pm to CarlockLSU
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It looks good for our conference.
Putting aside whether it makes sense to pull for a "conference", why does it make the SEC look good for a bunch of cheaters to win the championship? Don't you think the reputation of the SEC will be tarnished, rather than enhanced, if Auburn plays in and wins the BCS championship? Wouldn't it be better if the teams that won without cheating don't have to include Auburn in their little club?
Posted on 12/2/10 at 12:43 pm to DocBugbear
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I strongly disagree. I am convinced that when the smoke clears we will find that numerous Auburn players were getting paid. Now, how good would LSU be if we went out and cherry-picked 10 players from other schools? That definitely skews the playing field.
How much better could we recruit? If you average our classes over the last 5 years, we're almost certainly in the top 5-7 programs in CFB. Certainly better than AU.
Posted on 12/2/10 at 12:45 pm to Navytiger74
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Cam didn't cheat on the field. Allegedly, his father received incentives to steer him toward Auburn. Point is, the only school that really lost out was MissSt. Because he wasn't considering anyone else. And MissSt. could well have beat us and Bama with Cam. So we'd still be in the same spot.
He didn't cheat on the field. He cheated to get on the field. The schools that "lost out" are every school that does it honestly. Your last 2 sentences are such utter nonsense that I can't bring myself to go there, except to say that what could have happened, did.
Posted on 12/2/10 at 12:46 pm to Choctaw
One of your rivals winning the BCSNC and gaining more attention from potentially your recruits is never a good thing. And like another poster said, I don't think anyone doubts the SEC's dominance anymore. Personally, I would love for Oregon to win it so LSU can play and beat them in Jerry's World to open the season next year.
Posted on 12/2/10 at 12:48 pm to nycajun
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Your last 2 sentences are such utter nonsense that I can't bring myself to go there, except to say that what could have happened, did.
Okay. I guess I get what you're saying. What I meant was that by all accounts he was going to go to one of the two schools. He wasn't simply going to not play football if his father didn't get paid. So his cheating didn't get him on the field. Losing a $200,000 wasn't going to cause him to sit out and risk losing millions in the pros.
Posted on 12/2/10 at 12:48 pm to Navytiger74
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How much better could we recruit?
Well, how good would LSU have been if they had added Cam Newton?
Posted on 12/2/10 at 12:50 pm to DocBugbear
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Well, how good would LSU have been if they had added Cam Newton?
He wasn't considering us. He never approached us. We never (to my limited knowledge) approached him. Jefferson looked reasonably promising last year.
And Crowton would have found a way to frick him up and/or not start him anyway.
Posted on 12/2/10 at 1:44 pm to Navytiger74
little south carolina? have you watched south carolina this year? in fact, they almost beat "big bad auburn" already.
Posted on 12/2/10 at 3:01 pm to jrich11
I want them to win bc I want 3 national champs from the SEC west in the spam of 4 years. that is domination.
Posted on 12/2/10 at 3:09 pm to Navytiger74
i want the cocks to win, but i still want auburn to play for the title.. can i have both?
Posted on 12/2/10 at 3:41 pm to SouljaBreauxTellEm
Well if this thing goes real deep with Auburn (evidence thru wiretaps) then LSU got beat by paid players.
IE: Financial Incentives to play super hard.
IE: Financial Incentives to play super hard.
Posted on 12/2/10 at 3:55 pm to SEC Rules Fan
1. In the recruiting phase, I'm not necessarily worried about Auburn pulling recruits away from LSU, but them being able to pull recruits from MS, GA, FLA, etc, to make their team stronger as a whole. It's not necessarily a lose-lose situation where Auburn gains a particular recruit at the expense of LSU, but if they are drawing in recruits that they otherwise wouldn't it still sucks.
Other reasons NOT to pull for Auburn:
1999 Cigar Game
2001 Duval
2004 XP game
2006 PI game
2007 Chop Block game
2010 $200,000
Other reasons NOT to pull for Auburn:
1999 Cigar Game
2001 Duval
2004 XP game
2006 PI game
2007 Chop Block game
2010 $200,000
Posted on 12/2/10 at 4:04 pm to Navytiger74
quote:If that is the case then the hate for Florida, Texas, Alabama, Ole Miss, Arkansas, and any other school is unjustified. I hate Auburn more so than any of the other programs listed and more than any other SEC team.
The hate on Auburn is unjustified.
Posted on 12/2/10 at 4:14 pm to Tiger55
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Disagree completely on this one. And my same argument can be made about the Reggie Bush deal.
Take two equal athletes and put them at different schools.
Have one worried about their parents losing a house, living in a car, having their dads church torn down, or any other crisis that lack of money brings.
Have the other one taken care of financially and all they have to do is worry about football.
How do you not think the second person has a huge advantage on the other one, or everyone else for all that matters. They may not have taken a drug to physically have an advantage, but they took money which relieved a lot of stress and worry which gave them a mental advantage.
Given his dad was steering his decision and recruitment, I don’t see how they ruled the way they did. I think they are creating huge problems down the line. Anybody can shop all schools but one and just have the kid say he knew nothing about it. But that’s my opinion
Also, Alabama's little sister would've gone 6-6, 7-5, or 8-4 without paying Cam Newton to come to their school.
Posted on 12/2/10 at 4:18 pm to Lsuman122
Would have lost to:
LSU
Kentucky
Alabama
Mississippi State
Clemson
South Carolina
Georgia
Arkansas
6-6 is being VERY generous.
LSU
Kentucky
Alabama
Mississippi State
Clemson
South Carolina
Georgia
Arkansas
6-6 is being VERY generous.
Posted on 12/2/10 at 4:20 pm to chilge1
I could give a shite who wins, i probably wont even watch the game
Posted on 12/2/10 at 4:22 pm to chilge1
quote:No way of obviously proving that. Hell look at LSU and many thought 8-4 at the start of season and they are 10-2. They were 7-5 (8-5 after bowl) last season and could have easily gone 8-4 without Cam as Dryer would have been used a hell of alot more. As every single one of those games would have played out differently without Cam.
Would have lost to:
LSU
Kentucky
Alabama
Mississippi State
Clemson
South Carolina
Georgia
Arkansas
6-6 is being VERY generous.
Posted on 12/2/10 at 4:26 pm to tduecen
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No way of obviously proving that. Hell look at LSU and many thought 8-4 at the start of season and they are 10-2. They were 7-5 (8-5 after bowl) last season and could have easily gone 8-4 without Cam as Dryer would have been used a hell of alot more. As every single one of those games would have played out differently without Cam.
I'm not sold on Dyer yet. Let's see what happens to his production when he's the primary option out of the backfield rather than the safety valve. In any case, if you think that Auburn would have put up 60+ points on Arkansas, 50 on Georgia, etc., without Cam, I don't know what to tell you.
If you want to make a loose comparison, look at Nebraska games in which Taylor Martinez does not play.
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