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Why is a blocked FG attempt that is advanced not considered a turnover?
Posted on 11/6/11 at 9:33 pm
Posted on 11/6/11 at 9:33 pm
Just wondering. Stats show that each team had two turnovers, the two interceptions. Why wouldn't the blocked FG attempt that we advanced be considered a turnover?
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Posted on 11/6/11 at 9:35 pm to DaddyGriff
Because the kicking team was going to lose possession after the kick anyway. Same reason a blocked punt is not a turnover.
Posted on 11/6/11 at 9:35 pm to DaddyGriff
I would think its basically like a turnover on downs that just happens in the middle of the play.
Posted on 11/6/11 at 9:36 pm to DaddyGriff
valid point. possession was changed, hence the definition of the word turnover.
Posted on 11/6/11 at 9:36 pm to DaddyGriff
Failed 4th down conversions aren't turnovers, so neither are failed FG attempts.
Posted on 11/6/11 at 9:37 pm to DaddyGriff
Hmmm. Using this logic, fumbles and ints on 4th down arent turnovers.
Posted on 11/6/11 at 9:37 pm to charlottetiger
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valid point. possession was changed, hence the definition of the word turnover.
Possession was going to change anyway. Not a valid point.
Posted on 11/6/11 at 9:39 pm to DaddyGriff
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Why wouldn't the blocked FG attempt that we advanced be considered a turnover?
because the kicking team did not have the possibility of a subsequent play...
Posted on 11/6/11 at 9:40 pm to Myshkin
You can't assume a failed 4th down conversion attempt, so those are still turnovers.
Posted on 11/6/11 at 9:42 pm to Doc Fenton
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Failed 4th down conversions aren't turnovers, so neither are failed FG attempts.
Exactly. And neither are punts returned for TDs or large punt returns that bring the ball back to beyond the original LOS. In essence, a blocked FG becomes a punt once it crosses the LOS.
Posted on 11/6/11 at 9:43 pm to ForeLSU
Stands to reason that if your field goal attempt comes on a 3rd down and is blocked, the opponent recovers, that would be considered a turnover.
Posted on 11/6/11 at 9:46 pm to Myshkin
quote:They are because the chance of getting a first and continuing the drive is still possible, on a fg that chance isn't there.
Hmmm. Using this logic, fumbles and ints on 4th down arent turnovers.
Posted on 11/6/11 at 9:51 pm to DaddyGriff
Good question. Got me curious too and this seems to be the line if thinking if most.
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this is a kick from scrimmage -- the same rule as a punt. When it's blocked, it's live, and can be advanced. If the kicking team gets its kick blocked, miraculously recovers it, and still fails to advance it sufficient yards, then it's a turnover on downs.
Posted on 11/6/11 at 9:53 pm to vjp819
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Stands to reason that if your field goal attempt comes on a 3rd down and is blocked, the opponent recovers, that would be considered a turnover.
I think that once you attempt the kick, it doesn't matter who recovers behind the line of scrimmage. The defending team still gets the ball.
If you botch the snap and hold on 3rd down (before attempting the actual kick), you can still try again on 4th down.
This post was edited on 11/6/11 at 9:54 pm
Posted on 11/6/11 at 9:55 pm to Tigers4Lyfe
But what if it is 4th and goal and you throw an INT or fumble?
You either score or turn the ball over. Same situation as the field goal.
Or there is a penalty and you get a first down, but that is still the same aas the field goal.
So it is inconsistent regardless.
You either score or turn the ball over. Same situation as the field goal.
Or there is a penalty and you get a first down, but that is still the same aas the field goal.
So it is inconsistent regardless.
This post was edited on 11/6/11 at 9:56 pm
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