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re: Why do people on this board think they know better than the coaching staff?
Posted on 7/19/14 at 5:10 pm to LSUANDY25
Posted on 7/19/14 at 5:10 pm to LSUANDY25
quote:
How long would it take you?
that's my point, we stood in different lines at the beginning of our careers, we each are highly experienced in what we do, it took a while, but in answer to your question, I don't think it would take me nearly as long to get up to speed as it would him
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Posted on 7/19/14 at 5:12 pm to 777Tiger
But how long? Best guess?
Posted on 7/19/14 at 5:13 pm to LSUANDY25
6 month 3 days and 1.5 hours
Posted on 7/19/14 at 5:14 pm to josh336
quote:of course it is but, that is still missing the point.
So you dont see how its better to have 22 seconds than 0 seconds to respond?
is this a major blunder? no.
have other highly respected coaches made worse calls? yes
does this coupled with your paltry other 2 examples legitimate the characterization of miles that he's guilty of copious playcalling mistakes? absolutely not.
Posted on 7/19/14 at 5:15 pm to 777Tiger
I didn't read the entire thread but is anyone tracking all of the colossally stupid suggestions made by this board that were obviously not correct and the coach was? I suspect it may be quite a bit larger than the "I was right, the coach wasn't" list.
All coaches at this level make mistakes, bad decisions, etc. But their decisions are made with infinitely more knowledge, information, and experience than any of us have.
All coaches at this level make mistakes, bad decisions, etc. But their decisions are made with infinitely more knowledge, information, and experience than any of us have.
Posted on 7/19/14 at 5:17 pm to josh336
quote:you're still missing the point. if lsu gets the 2 point conversion, auburn can still win with a 2 point conversion of their own. either way auburn has to get in the endzone and convert an extra point(s). the extra point(s) are secondary compared to getting in the endzone to begin with.
You dont see how being up by 7 is more important than by 6 with a second left?
this is not any sort of major playcalling blunder
Posted on 7/19/14 at 5:19 pm to 777Tiger
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I'll bet I could transition into Les' job a hell of a lot easier than he could mine
OK, this one takes the cake thusfar during my short stint on here.
I don't care if you're a brain surgeon, airline pilot, or whatever else, it simply reeks of sheer stupidity and cancels out the idea you are either of those in the first place.
Love the self-confidence though, no matter how ignorant it make you appear.
Posted on 7/19/14 at 5:20 pm to josh336
quote:and if the players execute like miles has asked them to do, it's not a problem. again, this isn't a huge mistake on miles' part.
you have more than 2 guys playing deep safety
you're reaching. instead of that, why don't you ask yourself why you're trying to nitpick things that mostly aren't there instead of looking at the overall body of work.
Posted on 7/19/14 at 5:20 pm to SouthdownsTiger
Dont spoil my fun Mr. Southdowns.
This post was edited on 7/19/14 at 5:22 pm
Posted on 7/19/14 at 5:20 pm to 337Tiger19
These players have been evaluated since, well, early in high school.
The coaches have been to their homes. Met with their families, met with their HS coaches, sat through meetings with them, eaten their meals with them, sweat with them on the practice fields (for countless hours), watched them in the weight rooms, film rooms & etc. & etc. They know these kids inside and out.
Fans watch a few games and conclude that they know best which players should be playing and what they should be doing.
It's like being a parent and having someone (who in most cases has never been a parent him or herself) watch your kid's behavior at the grocery store and acting like they know best how to raise your child.
It's exactly why coaches don't read this board or give one flying flip about some idiot fan who thinks he knows best what to do with the team.
The coaches have been to their homes. Met with their families, met with their HS coaches, sat through meetings with them, eaten their meals with them, sweat with them on the practice fields (for countless hours), watched them in the weight rooms, film rooms & etc. & etc. They know these kids inside and out.
Fans watch a few games and conclude that they know best which players should be playing and what they should be doing.
It's like being a parent and having someone (who in most cases has never been a parent him or herself) watch your kid's behavior at the grocery store and acting like they know best how to raise your child.
It's exactly why coaches don't read this board or give one flying flip about some idiot fan who thinks he knows best what to do with the team.
Posted on 7/19/14 at 5:23 pm to josh336
quote:my point is that fans criticizing playcalling is just dumb because they don't consider all the factors that coaches do and they don't compare success between coaches. it's myopia.
coaches do make mistakes, which shows sometimes criticism is warranted.
is criticism of miles warranted? compared to what other coaches? if you look at the landscape over the last few years, criticizing miles is like saying shaq should have been better at being tall.
Posted on 7/19/14 at 5:24 pm to bfniii
Anyone else ready for some football? 
Posted on 7/19/14 at 5:28 pm to LaFlyer
quote:this is one of the best examples of unwarranted criticism. there were 19 seconds on the clock when lsu broke the huddle for a pass play in the endzone. everyone focused on the 4 seconds left after the play was over. it's not miles' fault that the play took so long. regardless, lsu still had time to kick ever after all that.
The decision to throw the pass to Byrd against Auburn in the first place which was viewed as dumb
Posted on 7/19/14 at 5:29 pm to LSUANDY25
quote:
Dont spoil my fun Mr. Southdowns.
Posted on 7/19/14 at 5:31 pm to josh336
quote:you've done no such thing. not one thing you've posted has in any way suggested that a fan at any time knows anything close to what the coaches know. it's absurd.
Ive provided examples to the contrary
i'll say it again, when a fan is right over and against the coaches, it's textbook gettier counterexample. it has nothing to do with the fan somehow knowing more or having better intuition than the coaches.
Posted on 7/19/14 at 5:36 pm to LSUANDY25
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But how long? Best guess?
hard to say, I'm really good at delegating, and surrounding myself with talented people, determining their strengths and weaknesses, as well as my own, I know the value of seeking out knowledgeable people for answers when I don't know the answer, with Les' budget,current personnel in place, and assuming I get the same magic wand to get whatever I asked for, I think it would be fairly seamless, the big hurdle initially would be in recruiting, because I would be the unknown quantity, but as far as doing the job at hand, I don't see much of a problem, I would foresee huge problems for Les
This post was edited on 7/19/14 at 5:41 pm
Posted on 7/19/14 at 5:37 pm to LSUANDY25
quote:
Anyone else ready for some football?
I caught myself last night watching a replay of last year's Okie Lite/TT game???
I'm past ready for football, hell even fall drills will suffice.
Posted on 7/19/14 at 5:37 pm to MOT
quote:this is a great point that I made earlier. a fan says "they should have done otherwise." like what? what is your great idea that was so much better and how do you know it would have worked.
colossally stupid suggestions made by this board that were obviously not correct and the coach was?
my point is criticism is warranted, sure. but, compared to what or who? blithe, unqualified criticism has no credibility, especially when it comes to playcalling. yet, some people are arguing the fans can be right sometimes, which is ludicrous.
a fan never acknowledges that the opponent has 11 scholarship players and coaches who are also experienced and have developed a reasonable gameplan against lsu. they just see a play not work and think they know better what lsu should have done and it's guaranteed to work because "lsu has talent".
Posted on 7/19/14 at 5:38 pm to bfniii
i'll say it again, when a fan is right over and against the coaches, it's textbook gettier counterexample. it has nothing to do with the fan somehow knowing more or having better intuition than the coaches.
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Say what? Les is this you? But it sounds right, if u listen out loud, in the mind of the opponent u can sometimes see victory.
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Say what? Les is this you? But it sounds right, if u listen out loud, in the mind of the opponent u can sometimes see victory.
This post was edited on 7/21/14 at 8:04 pm
Posted on 7/19/14 at 5:43 pm to bfniii
so, after 9 pages, we've listed 2.5 legitimate examples of miles making a playcalling mistake. is that it, in 9 years of coaching?
all of that together doesn't equal saban not covering the kick against auburn for the sec championship game appearance and yes, I think bama would have beaten mizzou and fsu. it's an even worse blunder given that beckham ran one back just a few weeks prior.
all of that together doesn't equal saban not covering the kick against auburn for the sec championship game appearance and yes, I think bama would have beaten mizzou and fsu. it's an even worse blunder given that beckham ran one back just a few weeks prior.
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