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re: Why do people on this board think they know better than the coaching staff?
Posted on 7/18/14 at 2:28 pm to therick711
Posted on 7/18/14 at 2:28 pm to therick711
quote:no fan can. not even close. not even in the same universe.
I disagree that no lay person could understand it better than those on a staff
quote:no. I refer back to gettier counterexamples. fans might be right over and against the coaches by accident but not because they had more insight or information.
sometimes it is about general things that any person can see, no?
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Posted on 7/18/14 at 2:30 pm to bfniii
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no fan can. not even close. not even in the same universe.
almost all of these coaches are former jocks, collectively not necessarily rocket scientists, neither is the sport
Posted on 7/18/14 at 2:30 pm to 337Tiger19
Do you really not know the answer to this?
Posted on 7/18/14 at 2:33 pm to bfniii
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no fan can. not even close. not even in the same universe.
What if a coach said a lay person could? Boy, you'd really be between a rock and hard place then, wouldn't you?
Posted on 7/18/14 at 2:36 pm to therick711
quote:you're also conflating coaching vs coaching with coaching vs fan criticism. miles and co are not always successful on every play against the opponent. but more often than not, miles is the victor. as far as the fans go, they have no idea what's going on compared to the coaches. criticizing the playcalling of the most successful teams is ignorant. miles becomes more entrenched in the elite of the elite every season. the only thing left is to just dominate everyone which is unrealistic.
The rule is he knows the best and was completely correct
Posted on 7/18/14 at 2:39 pm to bfniii
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you're also conflating coaching vs coaching with coaching vs fan criticism. miles and co are not always successful on every play against the opponent. but more often than not, miles is the victor. as far as the fans go, they have no idea what's going on compared to the coaches. criticizing the playcalling of the most successful teams is ignorant. miles becomes more entrenched in the elite of the elite every season. the only thing left is to just dominate everyone which is unrealistic.
No. You are creating your own argument and attempting pretty poorly to refute it. You'll still likely win that argument, given you are only having it with yourself.
This post was edited on 2/19/15 at 4:21 pm
Posted on 7/18/14 at 2:48 pm to 777Tiger
quote:so you think it's ok for a guy who watches a few dozen hours of football every season and listens to espn radio during his commute to criticize one of the all time best sec coaches because of how a handful of plays unfolded and a few player personnel decisions. makes sense.
almost all of these coaches are former jocks, collectively not necessarily rocket scientists, neither is the sport
Posted on 7/18/14 at 2:51 pm to therick711
quote:there's no way a casual fan can call plays anywhere nearly as successfully as an entire staff of coaches who have spent years gaining experience and all week studying the opponent. criticizing the play after the fact is just fan stupidity. something which certain lsu fans excel at.
What if a coach said a lay person could?
Posted on 7/18/14 at 2:51 pm to bfniii
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so you think it's ok for a guy who watches a few dozen hours of football every season and listens to espn radio during his commute to criticize one of the all time best sec coaches because of how a handful of plays unfolded and a few player personnel decisions. makes sense.
Why the frick would any of that bear on whether someone can level criticism or not? That's the most ridiculous statement you've made yet. In a sea of decent points, this is perhaps your waterloo piss poor point that sinks the rest of your argument.
Posted on 7/18/14 at 2:52 pm to bfniii
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here's no way a casual fan can call plays anywhere nearly as successfully as an entire staff of coaches who have spent years gaining experience and all week studying the opponent. criticizing the play after the fact is just fan stupidity. something which certain lsu fans excel at.
You can make up your own arguments all you want, or you can, you know, actually respond to real points that people actually make. Your strawman is getting worn out from the beating you're giving him.
Posted on 7/18/14 at 2:53 pm to bfniii
Coaches are not above criticism.
Posted on 7/18/14 at 2:54 pm to tlsu15
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All the people defending the coaching staff's decisions blindly about Welter are the same ones who called Miles an idiot constantly for playing Jefferson over Lee
nah. welter is terrible. so was jefferson.
Posted on 7/18/14 at 2:58 pm to TheFlyingTiger
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All the people defending the coaching staff's decisions blindly about Welter are the same ones who called Miles an idiot constantly for playing Jefferson over Lee
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nah. welter is terrible. so was jefferson.
Clearly you don't fall into the category I'm talking about then.
I'm just saying, they are all butt hurt about the fans thinking they know more than chief, when they acted the same way towards our QB situation in 2011. Everyone is a hypocrite, but the hypocrisy runs strong in some here,
Posted on 7/18/14 at 3:02 pm to therick711
quote:good response. convincing. let me know when you want to tell me specifically what I said was wrong.
No
1. fans don't have a fraction of the info coaches do. indisputable.
2. fans criticize in a vacuum. they don't take into account all the variables coaches do. indisputable.
3. miles' critics are unrealistic. they only look at a handful of plays or players. they aren't looking at his overall body of work. they expect him to win more than basically any coach in history. the only thing left for miles to do is just dominate all of college football. since 2005, only boise st has won more games and they play an easier schedule. miles has a great staff, great players, is keeping the program out of major ncaa trouble and is obviously good with players given his nfl track record.
name the coaches in the history of college football who have been more impressive than miles. it's a short, short list. and most of them didn't have to deal with the level of competition that miles has encountered. criticizing the playcalling is a result of fan personality issues, not miles' shortcomings.
Posted on 7/18/14 at 3:06 pm to TigerBait1127
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Welter was a liability last year. Now, the dline didn't do him many favors, but his backup was outperforming him.
I had absolutely no problem with Miles playing Jefferson over Lee in the Bama game. Hell, I didn't mind Jefferson being the starting QB after. I think JJ got far too much hate beginning in 2009.
What I did mind is that JLee was pulled after a bad half against Bama, yet Jefferson had 2 terrible games in a row without getting pulled. We couldn't cross the 50, try something different.
There's some sort of miscommunication, because I agree with everything you just said
I'm talking about the people who say Welter has to be the best choice because he continues to get playing time from the coaches. These are mostly the same people who said Jefferson could never be the best choice, even though he continued to get playing time from the coaches.
Posted on 7/18/14 at 3:06 pm to therick711
quote:it doesn't and you obviously don't have the insight to see that's not the point I'm making. I'm addressing the credibility of any such criticism.
Why the frick would any of that bear on whether someone can level criticism or not?
stop looking at a few plays or a few players and look at the body of work. it's easy to see that criticizing the playcalling of the most successful programs is the result of unrealistic expectations. any person who puts aside personal bias and looks at the overall picture can see that.
Posted on 7/18/14 at 3:09 pm to monsterballads
quote:not once have I said they are. what I have said is that fan criticism of playcalling of the most successful programs is dumb. miles is characterized as a buffoon because he either can't manage the game clock or makes bad calls in cruch time. both criticisms are inaccurate. anyone who disagrees is free to point out examples. not one person has even attempted it.
Coaches are not above criticism
Posted on 7/18/14 at 3:17 pm to 337Tiger19
Cuz baw, Miles is stupid baw. Sabans better baw
Posted on 7/18/14 at 3:24 pm to UncleRuckus
Miles is stupid baw.
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Miles wants to compare W-2's with you baw.
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Miles wants to compare W-2's with you baw.
Posted on 7/18/14 at 4:02 pm to therick711
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Assuming Coaches always know best in something that you admit is fricking hard is stupid.
I believe I said, "coaches make mistakes". So, where you get this "coaches always know best" from I don't know.
If you want to think Joe fan or Joe writer knows the game, on the whole, as well as successful HC's who live and breath the game 24-7 and knows his players and his been on the sideline making calls all their coaching lives, knock yourself out.
It's easy to 2nd guess and not so easy to make calls under fire. I'll take the "insight" of a successful SEC HC any day over the "insight" of any writer or fan, but each to our own.
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