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re: Why did Chavis totally abandon the blitz?
Posted on 9/25/11 at 7:47 pm to chipd
Posted on 9/25/11 at 7:47 pm to chipd
It wasn't pretty, but it was effective. I saw 2 plays when we blitzed, and WVU threw effective screens. On another blitz, we hit the QB right after he released the ball-it was either a big gainer or a TD. The have an excellent QB who reads defenses well, and very good WR's. The tackling was an issue, but they have quick WR's who made good moves after they caught the ball.
I don't think anyone is going to change their entire offense to play LSU-I don't think they could, unless you already had players that fit that offense well.
I don't think anyone is going to change their entire offense to play LSU-I don't think they could, unless you already had players that fit that offense well.
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Posted on 9/25/11 at 8:16 pm to NC_Tigah
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NC_Tigah
You may be on to something there!
Posted on 9/25/11 at 9:22 pm to bmy
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just imagine what a coach like holgorsen could do with athletes like LSU has..
If he had athletes like LSU he wouldn't be running that junk offense. You only run a gimmick offense like that when you have inferior talent...trying to even up the field. Check box scores the rest of the year. Try to find a game where a team throws 65 passes and has less than two interceptions. It doesn't happen. When you put it up that much, it doesnt matter who you are playing...there are going to be tipped balls and bad passes that end up in turnovers.
Thats why teams with great talent generally stick to simple offenses that just rely on winning the one on one matchups. When you arent good enough to win most of the one on one matchups you have to resort to a junk offense. Make a list of all the national champions that have averaged more than 40 passes a game....it shouldn't take you long.
Posted on 9/25/11 at 9:28 pm to amarti9
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Its simple. The blitz would have killed us. Chavis knew he was going up against a quick releasing, fast decision making QB, who was accurate enough to hit his athletic WR's in space to make a play. Counter? Man up. Chavis thought LSU secondary >>> WVU WR's So if Geno Smith threw the ball he had to be pinpoint. Which is why they threw the ball down the field past 15 yards the fewest times all season. Chavis and the defense basically said, "Go ahead and throw. You better dam well make sure you make the correct read and be dead on accurate or you will pay". I think for the most part it worked. Also a blitz would open us up for a lot of screen plays, which WVU LOVES to run or a draw play.
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Posted on 9/25/11 at 9:41 pm to tigerpawl
Didnt he average 6 yards an attempt? Thats pretty fricking good. Plus they threw it 80 fricking times.
Posted on 9/25/11 at 9:55 pm to lsuexpert57
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Thats why teams with great talent generally stick to simple offenses that just rely on winning the one on one matchups. When you arent good enough to win most of the one on one matchups you have to resort to a junk offense. Make a list of all the national champions that have averaged more than 40 passes a game....it shouldn't take you long.
what could he do with LSU talent? he wouldn't be forced to throw it 60 times in a game. he would throw it when he wanted, run it when he wanted.. his offense would be unbelievably good at LSU.
Posted on 9/25/11 at 9:58 pm to tigerpawl
quote:Wondered that too
Why did Chavis totally abandon the blitz?
Posted on 9/25/11 at 10:02 pm to JWill409
quote:This is why I can't get my arms all the way around Miles...
Well this gameplan call was probably Miles' idea since Chavis lives and dies by the blitz
Posted on 9/25/11 at 11:06 pm to tigerpawl
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This is why I can't get my arms all the way around Miles...
really? it's his job..
Posted on 9/26/11 at 12:21 am to rbdallas
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I guess we do not use the same definition of WORKED...Geno had 463 yards passing.
It's only the pass over the goal line that counts. I don't care if they get 99 yards on every possession if they start on their own goal line and don't cross ours.
Posted on 9/26/11 at 6:00 am to rbdallas
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thought that this was his way of looking a passing offenses, but for the UO game we were in the attack mode, now feel it is because their line was smaller. I now believe that when Chavis faces a Passing Team with a strong front, all he knows is read-react. This will lose games for us as it did for TENN.
I disagree about how you say Chavez doesnt blitz, I seem to remember last season him blitzing often, IMO (Pelini didnt blitz enough...) but, while Gino did have too much time, we were in great position to make pics in the secondary(icounted four pics that were dropped by our secondary), if we get those four pics, and dont give up a couple long passes... they still rack up yards, but are not near as effective... and then Chavez strategy worked "better"...
Posted on 9/26/11 at 7:20 am to lake chuck fan
Defensive game plan worked.
Defensive game plan would have worked better if we had come up with some of those interceptions that were not caught. 4+one that wasn't call an int.!
The whole idea was to get turnovers and not give up the big play for a score. WVU ONLY had the quick throw game going into this game. Everyone knew that. No threat of a run. Deep ball not accurate. Blitz doesn't work well on quick throws and screens.
There was no reason to go to the blitzing pressure packages as long as we are winning big. They pulled within 6 once but we immediately scored so the defense never saw the field with that 6 point lead.
Had the game gone differently we probably would have reverted to kill the QB defense. Just no need to fix something that wasn't broken.
I would have loved to see how the game would have gone had we dialed the defense up and let them play like they have been though. Just to see what they could have done had they not been on a leash.
Defensive game plan would have worked better if we had come up with some of those interceptions that were not caught. 4+one that wasn't call an int.!
The whole idea was to get turnovers and not give up the big play for a score. WVU ONLY had the quick throw game going into this game. Everyone knew that. No threat of a run. Deep ball not accurate. Blitz doesn't work well on quick throws and screens.
There was no reason to go to the blitzing pressure packages as long as we are winning big. They pulled within 6 once but we immediately scored so the defense never saw the field with that 6 point lead.
Had the game gone differently we probably would have reverted to kill the QB defense. Just no need to fix something that wasn't broken.
I would have loved to see how the game would have gone had we dialed the defense up and let them play like they have been though. Just to see what they could have done had they not been on a leash.
Posted on 9/26/11 at 12:02 pm to NC_Tigah
+1
Posted on 9/26/11 at 12:14 pm to tigerpawl
It was part of the game plan, dude. Get that through your thick skull.
There's a reason for game plans.
There's a reason for game plans.
Posted on 9/27/11 at 8:56 am to tigerpawl
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and the secondary did not tackle that good either.
Mo Cla is kinda hit or miss, IMO. He has made some great plays and perfect tackles but he's missed quite a few that absolutely should have been made.
Posted on 9/27/11 at 9:01 am to TIGRLEE
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We gave up about 500 passing to az state in 06.
Some believe that is LM;s best team ever here.
Just saying.
2005
Different defensive coordinator in his first game
Posted on 9/27/11 at 9:40 am to tigerpawl
I'll start off by saying look at what the score was. The only thing we truly did not do well was tackle in open space which is usually one of our strong points. If we tackle in open space, cut the yardage in half. I had front row seats and this was the only problem we had. Give credit to WV because they were quick. This was not a bend but not break scheme but a shutdown defensive plan. Just in a different way than were used to seeing. It truly shows how good our d is to give a guy like Geno Smith that much time to scan for somebody!
Posted on 9/28/11 at 9:56 am to rbdallas
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I do not like the D plan in the second half at all.
Overall we held a high powered offense that was averaging over 40+ ppg to almost half.
Posted on 9/28/11 at 10:21 am to Prominentwon
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Urban Meyer said after the game the best 2 D fronts in the SEC are Bama and Fla.
Urb is wearing a suit and running his mouth in an announcers' booth for a living -- Miles is prowling the sidelines actually coaching and running a program .... see what I mean? Urb's ruminations and a quarter will buy you a cup o' joe.
Posted on 9/28/11 at 10:25 am to tigerpawl
quote:You know you gotta let go of Nicky first?
This is why I can't get my arms all the way around Miles...
Extensive blitzing of a good 3 step scheme is a recipe for disaster. There could've been a few more timely blitzes added in to keep them honest, but I imagine Dana had gameplanned for heavy blitz. Chavis may have dialed up the blitz some if score had remained close.
In fact, I recall A WVU post reporting practicing getting ball out in one second or less.
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