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re: Why can't Jarret Lee be as good as
Posted on 11/17/08 at 10:12 am to Y.A. Tittle
Posted on 11/17/08 at 10:12 am to Y.A. Tittle
He was. However the offense LSU runs today is much different.
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Posted on 11/17/08 at 10:12 am to Y.A. Tittle
Ergo, his point, as worded, was rather silly.
Please explain, I thought the point was pretty clear.
Only a handful of quartebacks have been named who did very well as RS freshman starters. They are by far the exception, not the rule.
Please explain, I thought the point was pretty clear.
Only a handful of quartebacks have been named who did very well as RS freshman starters. They are by far the exception, not the rule.
Posted on 11/17/08 at 10:12 am to ATLTiger
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I'm almost positive Eli wasn't starting as a Fr, I think Romaro Miller was.
Eli came in during the bowl game when they were getting blown out and did really well. He started his Soph season after Miller gratuated, but I'm not sure if he was a reshirt sophmore or true sophmore.
Posted on 11/17/08 at 10:21 am to BlueCrab
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Terrell Pryor
True freshman
Playing against the Big 10, come on.
Posted on 11/17/08 at 10:23 am to Y.A. Tittle
Guys, Check out this link
Lee has had to face the following pass defenses:
Alabama - ranked #24
Mississippi State - ranked #2
Auburn - ranked #18
Florida - ranked #14
South Carolina - ranked #3
Can any of you say with a straight face that Bradford or McCoy had to face 5 defenses ranked in the top 25 for pass D?
1) Freakin' Tyrell Prior has only had to face 1 this year.
2) Colt McCoy didn't face 1 Top 25 defense in 2006. In fact the majority of Texas; schedule was ranked above #70 that year. See for yourselvesIn fact, when facing defenses ranked between 25-40, McCoy averaged 2 picks a game. Lee is only averaging 1 pick a game against defenses in the same category (Tulane and Troy).
It's apples and oranges. Give Lee a break. FWIW, the last 2 pick sixes, the DB ran right past everyone on our offense SOMEBODY should have tackled them. That being said, they shouldn't have been thrown in teh first place, but the kid is still learning.
Lee has had to face the following pass defenses:
Alabama - ranked #24
Mississippi State - ranked #2
Auburn - ranked #18
Florida - ranked #14
South Carolina - ranked #3
Can any of you say with a straight face that Bradford or McCoy had to face 5 defenses ranked in the top 25 for pass D?
1) Freakin' Tyrell Prior has only had to face 1 this year.
2) Colt McCoy didn't face 1 Top 25 defense in 2006. In fact the majority of Texas; schedule was ranked above #70 that year. See for yourselvesIn fact, when facing defenses ranked between 25-40, McCoy averaged 2 picks a game. Lee is only averaging 1 pick a game against defenses in the same category (Tulane and Troy).
It's apples and oranges. Give Lee a break. FWIW, the last 2 pick sixes, the DB ran right past everyone on our offense SOMEBODY should have tackled them. That being said, they shouldn't have been thrown in teh first place, but the kid is still learning.
Posted on 11/17/08 at 10:31 am to bastropbham
quote:Nope
Colt McCoy struggled his first year starting
Posted on 11/17/08 at 10:32 am to ironsides
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It's apples and oranges. Give Lee a break. FWIW, the last 2 pick sixes, the DB ran right past everyone on our offense SOMEBODY should have tackled them. That being said, they shouldn't have been thrown in teh first place, but the kid is still learning.
it may be apples and oranges, but the thread was why can't lee be as good as other first year starters. didn't say other first year SEC starters, or first year starters facing the toughest defenses.
having said that, i would like to throw robert griffen into the list. the team may not be good, but he is.
Posted on 11/17/08 at 10:39 am to Pearneax
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it may be apples and oranges, but the thread was why can't lee be as good as other first year starters. didn't say other first year SEC starters, or first year starters facing the toughest defenses.
Okay so you are basing his performance vs. other QB's on what, Statistics?
And you want to invalidate my post by what, ignorning statistics?
You can't compare the two without getting some context for the alleged great RS FR years. You may as well compare Lee to great freshman QB's in division II.
Posted on 11/17/08 at 10:42 am to bastropbham
This thread completely backfired on the OP 
Posted on 11/17/08 at 10:43 am to ironsides
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Guys, Check out this link
The top ten teams combined in this category are only .554 this year.
Throw out Penn State and USC and it's only .451.
I'm guessing it may be an overrated stat??
Posted on 11/17/08 at 10:48 am to ironsides
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Okay so you are basing his performance vs. other QB's on what, Statistics?
yes
quote:
And you want to invalidate my post by what, ignorning statistics?
yes
i don't think the thread was supposed to be that deep. i understand your point, but you are assuming that lee would be better on a different team in a different conference. statistically, maybe you are right but you really never know. the only thing we can go by is what he has factually produced. maybe it is unfair, but i blame it on the original poster.
Posted on 11/17/08 at 10:51 am to Proejo
So if Pass Defense is an over-rated stat, which is the inverse of Pass Offense, then is Pass Offense an over-rated stat? Give me a break!
We'll find out this weekend. Ole Miss is ranked #82 in Pass D, and I'd be willing to bet that Lee puts up McCoy's average per-game numbers for the 2006 season:
63% Pass Completions
8 yards per pass attempt
2 TD's
1 INT
~197 yards
We'll find out this weekend. Ole Miss is ranked #82 in Pass D, and I'd be willing to bet that Lee puts up McCoy's average per-game numbers for the 2006 season:
63% Pass Completions
8 yards per pass attempt
2 TD's
1 INT
~197 yards
Posted on 11/17/08 at 10:52 am to Pearneax
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the only thing we can go by is what he has factually produced. maybe it is unfair, but i blame it on the original poster.
Duel ends in a draw
Posted on 11/17/08 at 11:06 am to ironsides
TT is ranked #98 in this category. The BCS computers have them ranked #1. Texas is #110.
I'm just sayin', maybe it ain't the end all to be all stat.
I'm just sayin', maybe it ain't the end all to be all stat.
Posted on 11/17/08 at 11:25 am to Proejo
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I'm just sayin', maybe it ain't the end all to be all stat.
Okay, since it is the INVERSE of passing statistics, then passing yards and td's are not the end-all-be-all stat.
If the end-all-be-all stat is wins and losses, Jarrett Lee is 7-3; FWIW Colt McCoy was 10-3 his freshman year, so I guess that means they are the same
ETA: You do realize that BCS rankings are based on wins and losses, and that teams that face weaker defenses have a higher probability of winning right?
Go ahead, be a fan of Texas Tech, I'll keep my tigers.
This post was edited on 11/17/08 at 11:33 am
Posted on 11/17/08 at 12:22 pm to ironsides
Randall Cobb (UK)
Posted on 11/17/08 at 12:37 pm to thunderbird1100
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This thread completely backfired on the OP
Well I don't think so. The point was that Jarret Lee is doing pretty well considering he is a RS first year starter. Would you argue with that? If so how many other QBs can you name that are, or were better?
Posted on 11/17/08 at 12:48 pm to ironsides
Posted on 11/17/08 at 12:52 pm to bastropbham
Pryor...Give me a break...OSU has looked like crap this year with all of their players returning...Pryor would not be doing well in the SEC...
Posted on 11/17/08 at 12:53 pm to bastropbham
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The point was that Jarret Lee is doing pretty well considering he is a RS first year starter. Would you argue with that?
yes. that is what we have been doing for 4 pages of posts.
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If so how many other QBs can you name that are, or were better?
again, we have already done that on the prior 4 pages of posts.
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