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re: Why aren't "Big Name" defensive coordinators lobbying for this position

Posted on 1/6/15 at 2:56 pm to
Posted by CanShakersDecayedNut
Member since Sep 2006
3153 posts
Posted on 1/6/15 at 2:56 pm to
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The decline is real my friends, and it goes beyond our systemic QB issues, personnel mismanagement and clock snafus. The whole body is rotting.


wow, LSU fans really have become some miserable frickers.
Posted by TheRookbird
Member since Aug 2013
1322 posts
Posted on 1/6/15 at 2:57 pm to
Chavis left because he wanted security and a guaranteed contract regardless of what the future was for Les. The talk of the offense being the reason is just either secondary or tertiary to the concerns over the job security, IMO.

The word is that we're looking to give a 2 year deal to the prospective DC which is going to limit what we can get. It's pretty clear that Les doesn't have the longest leash and that situation isn't ideal for getting the best DC available.

It is what it is, but a 2 year deal is why we're talking about promoting Haley.
This post was edited on 1/6/15 at 2:58 pm
Posted by SouljaBreauxTellEm
Mizz
Member since Aug 2009
29343 posts
Posted on 1/6/15 at 2:57 pm to
Working with miles is a perk, not a negative as some of these idiots think. And great coordinators would gladly come to LSU, but it's a timing issue and most great coordinators already have big time commitments.
Posted by PoppaD
Texas
Member since Feb 2008
5249 posts
Posted on 1/6/15 at 2:58 pm to
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Because you have to deal with Les Miles and the lack of offense. Pretty hard gig. Could hurt you for the next job you are looking for.


I don't buy this reasoning. Les Miles is only around for a few more years and LSU gets as much NFL talent as anybody and has a great defensive legacy.

Why wouldn't a big name guy want to come in and coach top level talent for two to three years and be first line when Miles retires.

Hell the old coach didn't even have to hit the road recruiting or be that innovative in what defense he ran. The timing of this sucks and if the two year deal is true then that's a big roadblock that Alleva is throwing out there.
This post was edited on 1/6/15 at 3:04 pm
Posted by Paluka
One State Over
Member since Dec 2010
10763 posts
Posted on 1/6/15 at 2:58 pm to
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Which kind of gives credence to the OP's post about the lack of lobbying, don't you think?


Yes and no. To assume that we are scraping the bottom of the barrel is not accurate.

Strong candidates are very interested and communicating. However, they have been told to keep their mouth's shut.
Posted by tha mastablasta
Somewhere over the rainbow
Member since Jan 2012
533 posts
Posted on 1/6/15 at 2:59 pm to
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just go ahead and say what we all know you are thinking "nobody wants to work with Miles"


Actually, I don't agree with this. I, unlike most, feel like Mile's has done a good job with most of his hires. He has an obvious problem developing QB's, but his track record proves his worth. That being said, I'm not blind to a "slide" in the strength of the program. I also believe that he is perfectly capable of correcting the problems of he can make the right hires. My issue lies in the fact that you are offering a very attractive position and very attractive money and the names that we have interest in don't seemingly reciprocate. That's all.

And I know that my credibility took a hit for taking up for Mile's now, BTW??????
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
59890 posts
Posted on 1/6/15 at 2:59 pm to
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You really want this statement to be true. Badly.


Well played. I love how y'all cycle through the same canned trite counter statements over and over. Go ahead, I believe next up is I'm "retarded and/or ignorant," then I "shite on the team and players" and finally, I don't remember the 90s. Can you please remind me how LSU under Les is the only team to win "x" games out of the last "y" years? Sorry you can't fall back on the bowl record anymore. That was good while it lasted.
Posted by PurpleAndGold86
Member since Jun 2012
11036 posts
Posted on 1/6/15 at 3:00 pm to
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Working with miles is a perk, not a negative as some of these idiots think. And great coordinators would gladly come to LSU, but it's a timing issue and most great coordinators already have big time commitments.

And working with the LSU offense is easier on a DC than working with Sumlin's or Helfrich's.
Posted by mostbesttigerfanever
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Member since Jan 2010
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Posted on 1/6/15 at 3:00 pm to
what guys are available currently that you speak of?
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
59890 posts
Posted on 1/6/15 at 3:01 pm to
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wow, LSU fans really have become some miserable frickers.


Thanks for the reminder. I forgot about that one.
Posted by SouljaBreauxTellEm
Mizz
Member since Aug 2009
29343 posts
Posted on 1/6/15 at 3:02 pm to
Also, LSU is attractive especially for defensive coordinators because of the style of play and Miles lets the DC run the show. He doesn't interfere there.. And the amount of defensive talent is incredible. So they should have tremendous defensive stats to add to their resume.
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
59890 posts
Posted on 1/6/15 at 3:02 pm to
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And working with the LSU offense is easier on a DC than working with Sumlin's or Helfrich's.


Except of course when you're blamed for however many last minute losses and costing teams nattys all because the impotent offense could not pick up a first down. There are two sides to this.
Posted by PurpleAndGold86
Member since Jun 2012
11036 posts
Posted on 1/6/15 at 3:02 pm to
What the hell are you babbling about? Canned trite statement? Kind of like talking about "the decline being real".

I don't give a shite about Miles' bowl record. It couldn't be more irrelevant to this discussion. Sorry that you don't have any other thoughts to contribute other than #decline4realz
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
59890 posts
Posted on 1/6/15 at 3:03 pm to
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LSU is attractive especially for defensive coordinators


Keep telling yourself it'll be ok.
Posted by TigerAlum93
Member since Sep 2010
3112 posts
Posted on 1/6/15 at 3:03 pm to
They very well could be, and perhaps just want to remain anonymous given their current situation.

I do see your point, as we have ELITE athletes year in and year out on defense, and will always be special!
Posted by vjp819
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Member since Nov 2003
10882 posts
Posted on 1/6/15 at 3:03 pm to
same reason LSU has to go 4 or 5 deep on a list of potential head coaches when they need one. A lot of people on here over rate LSU as something it will never be. This is only an example of what would happen should Miles leave.
Posted by Choctaw
Pumpin' Sunshine
Member since Jul 2007
77774 posts
Posted on 1/6/15 at 3:03 pm to
calm down
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
59890 posts
Posted on 1/6/15 at 3:04 pm to
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Sorry that you don't have any other thoughts to contribute


Not into reading too much, huh? That's ok.

Posted by RedPop4
Santiago de Compostela
Member since Jan 2005
14762 posts
Posted on 1/6/15 at 3:04 pm to
Anyone will come coach if you promise them enough money, then more money, then even more money should they lose their job.

I don't think job security is all that to these guys, they KNOW they'll get fired, move, or, retire. But if there's enough "severance" that's what matters.

THEN the stepping stone to a H.C. job would, IN MY VIEW, be the next most important consideration. I value loyalty in both coaches and institutions, but that's done and dusted. It is ALL about the money and possibility of promotion. Chavis not wanting to be a head coach, as I have heard it stated here, is quite rare.

Just my speculative opinion.
I DO have a friend in the coaching game, retired, now. I may have to ask.
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
59890 posts
Posted on 1/6/15 at 3:05 pm to
quote:

A lot of people on here over rate LSU as something it will never be.


This I agree with. There are a lot of LSU fans that stay put in the Louisiana echo chamber and have an inflated perception of how LSU is actually viewed outside of that chamber.
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