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Posted on 1/1/09 at 9:36 pm to
Posted by Coach Diego
Sulphur, La.
Member since Dec 2007
937 posts
Posted on 1/1/09 at 9:36 pm to
J.J. is a better Q.B. and has better leadership qualities. Race has nothing to do with it.
Last year Matt Flynn had the leadership qualities as J.J. He would make things happen.
Posted by Oakflat
Logansport
Member since Nov 2008
90 posts
Posted on 1/1/09 at 9:37 pm to
Maybe they respond better because they have confidence in him that he can lead them down the field and sustain drives.

To say the co-DC's are responsible to stop the snowball effect is bullshite. Its also the Offensive Coordinator's responsibility to help a young QB out and try to avoid, what, 7 or 8 pick 6's. You can say what you want but its demoralizing to a defense where you make a stop early and are still behind because the QB just gave up 6 points. There were several occasions this year where the D gave up a TD and were right back on the field after an int. Playing on a short field and constantly being on the field is too much too overcome in the SEC.

You see what the D did when they sustained drives and didn't have sudden changes in posession. They dominated a GT team that scored over 40 on Georgia.

If they had that QB play all year long the co-DC's would still be there. I doubt any coordinator would have had much success with the way the QB play was most of the year.
Posted by jtran1988
Corndog U
Member since Oct 2008
5621 posts
Posted on 1/1/09 at 9:40 pm to
It wouldn't be a pick 6 if the offense learned how to tackle.

I believe each qb is fine. Our offense puts up points. It's the defense that has to shut them down.
What do all great teams have in common? DEFENSE.

I don't care how freaking great any offense is.. if you don't have defense, you are shite. Just look at Texas Tech.. all that offense but no defense. Signed Oklahoma <- Bad Example :(
Posted by philly444
stuck in contraflow
Member since Nov 2008
12153 posts
Posted on 1/1/09 at 9:40 pm to
they play better with JJ because their all brothas. no wut i be sayin
Posted by kclsufan
Show Me
Member since Jun 2008
12099 posts
Posted on 1/1/09 at 9:40 pm to
Yeah but LSU had several games where they got behind early due to a combo of pic 6's and poor D play. The staff all around did poorly this year.
Posted by Oakflat
Logansport
Member since Nov 2008
90 posts
Posted on 1/1/09 at 9:44 pm to
Its not the offenses job to tackle dumbass. Its also not their job to throw pick 6's.

Yall also believe no matter how long the D is on the field or how many times they are given a short field they should hold all opponents under 21 points. bullshite.

They would have beaten Alabama, and Georgia if not for interceptions. You cant blame that shite on the Defense.

If LSU would have gotten consistent QB play all year like they did last night there would have been no coordinator controversy.

It wouldn't have made a shite who the DC was this year it would have turned out the same way with inconsistent QB play.
Posted by King Joey
Just south of the DC/US border
Member since Mar 2004
12719 posts
Posted on 1/1/09 at 9:47 pm to
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I doubt any coordinator would have had much success with the way the QB play was most of the year.
Seriously? Our offense gave up 50+ points to Florida and Georgia?

Our offense put up 38 points on Georgia, and even with the two pick-6s that's a 24 point lead. If the defense could have stopped the Bulldogs just a little bit, we could easily have won that game.

And if the defense could have stopped Arkansas at all (and who was the QB then?), we would have beaten them easily.

Our QB play was clearly not very good this season. But the defense was the big factor in this season being a disappointment. The only time they looked good at all against a quality opponent was against Bama, and then last night in a bowl game against a team with little consistent passing threat.

Posted by EricB
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2008
1680 posts
Posted on 1/1/09 at 9:51 pm to
Jared Lee constantly had that "I suck and i want to kill myself " look on his face. Like they say, other people can't be confident in you if you arent confident in yourself. Every time (and there were many of them) that JL threw a pick (and six) he just ran over to Les to get his pat on the butt and told to ignore them near 100,000 fans booing les's decision to leave him in the game (not booing the pick six).

The real question is why didn't Miles put JJ in sooner? 2 White Qbs and 1 black qb, all are inexperienced, JJ had the most raw talent, yet he rotates both the white guys.... im white, i dont think he's racist, but then again, who's to say he doesnt subconsciously think a white guy is just the man for the qb job. Except in extreme situations like JR, which you couldnt even make an argument against not starting him. I know Miles isn't racist and hell RP was suppose to be the starter this year, im just saying you can not make racial statements like that without realizing people could make an argument just like it against you.

And for all the bullshite i hear about Miles saying he was not ready yet... would he have EVER thought he was ready? Lets not forget, it took both Hatch and Lee getting hurt before Les would even play JJ. Its almost like since our last 2 NTs were won by white qbs (despite JR being more talented than both) maybe Les had just visualized that sort of set up at the beginning of the season.

I don't know what it was, I like Miles, but it was nothing short of stubborness that JJ didnt play earlier. Maybe if us the fans just shut up he would have put JJ in b/c to me it just looked like a matter of pride he wanted people to know hes the HC and he controls it not us.
Posted by jtran1988
Corndog U
Member since Oct 2008
5621 posts
Posted on 1/1/09 at 9:52 pm to
Yeah, why don't we just let the guy who made the INT walk into the end zone. Point is, the offense scored. Defense was inconsistent. And yes, it would have mattered who the DC or DC's would be you dumbshit.
Posted by EricB
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2008
1680 posts
Posted on 1/1/09 at 9:53 pm to
JJ supposedly made a speech before the game promising his players he wont let them down. I visualize Lee would have been in his locker just praying not to throw another pick six and not saying shite to comfort his players.
Posted by EricB
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2008
1680 posts
Posted on 1/1/09 at 9:58 pm to
Jtran offense did score, but thats hardly impressive when you have offensive mastermind Gary Crowton at OC who you know is gonna put points up and the other 10 players on the field besides lee were all capable of making huge plays.

Football is a game of field position, and if your on defense, and you know that just ONE first down puts the opposing team in field goal range, its a huge hit to your morale. Morale and momentum are just as important as the skill of the players and the smarts of the coaches, JLee caused the #1 momentum killer, turnovers, and on top of that you'd have to be a fool to look in his eyes and see any signs of future improvement. He looked from 1st quarter of the Fla game til he got hurt, that he was done, he has had enough, he doesnt want the pressure on him anymore coach PLEASE put someone else in i cant handle this... and if he has that look why the hell leave him in
Posted by King Joey
Just south of the DC/US border
Member since Mar 2004
12719 posts
Posted on 1/1/09 at 10:02 pm to
quote:

They would have beaten Alabama, and Georgia if not for interceptions. You cant blame that shite on the Defense.
Alabama, yes, Georgia, hell no. The defense gave up 5 60+ yard Touchdown drives. FIVE of them. Is that the "short field" you keep talking about, the one that leads to 78, 72, 71, 68 and 63 yard TD drives?

Oh, and the first one, that 14, 78 yard TD drive they gave up? That was the first time the defense had set foot on the field, right after our offense had put on a 4:54 TD scoring drive, leaving the defense fresh with a tie ball game to start their part of the game. So there goes the "on the field too long" bullshite for that one. And the next drive? After having spent less time on the field than the Georgia defense had? Another 70+ yard TD drive. But at least they didn't tire themselves out by spending a bunch of time on the field; no, this time they sped things up by giving up a 47 yard run to Knowshon.

And that next interception? That one gave Georgia the ball at their own 35. Not exactly the "short field" that excuses giving up 38 points on defense.

Yes, with perfect QB play, we probably could have beaten Georgia even with our defense. But with even competent defense, we would very likely have beaten Georgia even with our QBs.

Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
61830 posts
Posted on 1/1/09 at 10:02 pm to
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It wouldn't be a pick 6 if the offense learned how to tackle.


It wouldn't be a pick 6 if Jarrett Lee doesn't hit the defender in stride heading to the endzone.

Look, I think Lee has a chance of developing...but don't kid yourself about the intereceptions. They were his fault.
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
61830 posts
Posted on 1/1/09 at 10:04 pm to
quote:

Our QB play was clearly not very good this season. But the defense was the big factor in this season being a disappointment


I agree
Posted by King Joey
Just south of the DC/US border
Member since Mar 2004
12719 posts
Posted on 1/1/09 at 10:04 pm to
quote:

2 non-True Freshman Qbs and 1 True Freshman qb
Edited to filter out the bullshite.

Posted by ZereauxSum
Lot 23E
Member since Nov 2008
10176 posts
Posted on 1/1/09 at 10:07 pm to
quote:

Our offense put up 38 points on Georgia, and even with the two pick-6s that's a 24 point lead. If the defense could have stopped the Bulldogs just a little bit, we could easily have won that game.


Not quite...

UGA won by 14. The two pick sixes were the difference in that one.

Against Bama, we threw 3 picks (including a pick six). Without that, the game doesn't go into overtime and we win.

You have a point with UF, we lose that one even with the best QB play, but at least we're competitive.

It's bad when the defense doesn't stop anybody, but it's WORSE when the offense is not only failing to score, but scoring points for the opposition.
Posted by Cracking
Northshore
Member since Aug 2006
3515 posts
Posted on 1/1/09 at 10:09 pm to
The defense was sub-par this season despite the fact they were playing mostly from behind and in tough situations. The Ole Miss and Arkansas games were horrible defensively. The defensive coverage schemes were disorganized and ineffective, the DBs tackled with poor technique, and safties were undisciplined in there zone responsibilities! The LBs struggled with run/pass recognition and always seemed a step behind due to slow reaction. The D-Line is what I was most disappointed in because it seemed like a lack of effort/motivation. Just because the defense is put in tough situations doesn't give them an excuse for poor results. The coDCs ARE to blame, and stopping a gimmick offense may make you THINK the coDCs are not to blame. However, keeping them for next year would be like ranking UGA #1 this year because they dominated Hawaii in the sugar bowl.

Maybe the players played harder for JJ because he is more motivating... or just better and elevates the level of play for the rest of the team (defense included)
Posted by LittleJerry
Dallas
Member since Dec 2007
1038 posts
Posted on 1/1/09 at 10:09 pm to
They play book wasn't open at all. JJ rolled to right 90% of the time.
Posted by King Joey
Just south of the DC/US border
Member since Mar 2004
12719 posts
Posted on 1/1/09 at 10:24 pm to
quote:

UGA won by 14. The two pick sixes were the difference in that one
Yes, and so were any TWO of the FIVE long TD drives the defense gave up. The offense provided us with a 24 point margin. The defense blew that by giving up 38 points, ALL of which were scored by Georgia drives from inside their own 40.

Apparently, you think that if we lose a game 64-63 with one pick-6 and giving up 8 80-yard touchdown drives, the defense did just fine and the QB was the one who lost us the game, right?

Posted by King Joey
Just south of the DC/US border
Member since Mar 2004
12719 posts
Posted on 1/1/09 at 10:28 pm to
quote:

Maybe the players played harder for JJ because he is more motivating
Again, my guess is that they played better for the same reason our last three teams have played better in their bowl games.

Miles apparently really knows how to get a team ready for a bowl game. He's done it while switching QBs (Flynn '05, Jefferson '08), and he's done it with the same QB (JaMarcus '06, Flynn '07). The constant has been Les Miles coaching.

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