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re: Who would you choose - Miles or Carroll?
Posted on 10/3/09 at 7:55 am to Genghis Khan
Posted on 10/3/09 at 7:55 am to Genghis Khan
quote:without a doubt
Do you think Pete Carroll would have more success at LSU than Lester?
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Posted on 10/3/09 at 8:20 am to thanksjhester
I love how people are using the Rose Bowl argument against Pete, but they are failing to realize that both of LSU's BCS appearances under Les have been in NEW ORLEANS. Wow, big difference there huh?
Pete has "blown it", but LSU losing to Tennessee in 05 and getting spanked by UGA, mustering 3 points against AU in 06, and losing the last game of the year in 07 doesn't qualify as "blowing it."
And Pete wouldn't be able to win in the SEC despite beating the shite out of Arkansas and Auburn on their home turf. Right.
Pete has proven to be consistent at USC. Even in years where USC lost tremendous amounts of talent, they win 11 games. He recruits, he consistently has high qualifty coordinators, and he wins BCS games every year.
I don't think you'll see the wheels fall off a Pete Carroll team anytime soon like LSU last year, but if it does, then I'd say the two are pretty comparable coaches. Until then, Pete is a little higher IMO. Both are "program managers" though.
Pete has "blown it", but LSU losing to Tennessee in 05 and getting spanked by UGA, mustering 3 points against AU in 06, and losing the last game of the year in 07 doesn't qualify as "blowing it."
And Pete wouldn't be able to win in the SEC despite beating the shite out of Arkansas and Auburn on their home turf. Right.
Pete has proven to be consistent at USC. Even in years where USC lost tremendous amounts of talent, they win 11 games. He recruits, he consistently has high qualifty coordinators, and he wins BCS games every year.
I don't think you'll see the wheels fall off a Pete Carroll team anytime soon like LSU last year, but if it does, then I'd say the two are pretty comparable coaches. Until then, Pete is a little higher IMO. Both are "program managers" though.
Posted on 10/3/09 at 8:47 am to Hot Carl
Les Miles is probably a very confident, self assured man, but I hope he never reads the shite on this forum. Jesus Christ. 
Posted on 10/3/09 at 8:53 am to Geauxtiga
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Got his team to a another that they lost in and was one game away from additional appearances several years.
LSU was a game away in 05 and 06 too.
For all the underachieving talk about Miles, the fact that USC didn't go undefeated last year is a joke. Sanchez is a stud, and should have been starting in 07 too. Bad decision by Petey cost them title game spots in both of those years IMO.
Posted on 10/3/09 at 9:04 am to Tiger Voodoo
quote:I understand but when you look at Pete's total body of work, over a longer period it tips the scale a bit imo.
LSU was a game away in 05 and 06 too.
As far as schedules go, I think it balances out. They seek out stronger OOC opponents and we see stronger in-conference ones, in general. Course, they did happen to get Notre Dame and Nebraska when they were a bit on the down low.
quote:Definitely agree.
For all the underachieving talk about Miles, the fact that USC didn't go undefeated last year is a joke. Sanchez is a stud, and should have been starting in 07 too. Bad decision by Petey cost them title game spots in both of those years IMO.
Posted on 10/3/09 at 10:32 am to Hot Carl
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But I'm gonna go ahead and bet you don't know what the frick you're talking about.
There is no way he knows what he is talking about, only what he read on the internet.
This thread is a good example of where we get the term rantards from.
Posted on 10/3/09 at 10:49 am to Genghis Khan
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Do you think Pete Carroll would have more success at LSU than Lester?
No and give me Les. Running up big numbers in the slack ten during some of his tenure was window-dressing(See "best team ever" beaten by one-man gang Texas). The left-coast league is more balanced now than in past years and it's already starting to tell on 2-Petes team.
Posted on 10/3/09 at 10:55 am to Genghis Khan
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Who would you choose - Miles or Carroll?
Posted on 10/3/09 at 10:55 am to RANDY44
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(See "best team ever" beaten by one-man gang Texas)
Yet another example of a ranter that doesn't know what they frick he is talking about.
The best team ever was series ESPN did and not something USC declared for themselves and the really funny part is THEY DID NOT NAME USC the best team ever. Herbstriet and May picked USC #2, one of them said 2001 Miami was the best team ever and the other said it was 1995 Nebraska.
As for the one-man gang. There were more players on the 2005 Texas roster that played in the NFL than on the 2005 USC roster. It might shock you to know that there are more players on a team than the QB and RB's.
This post was edited on 10/3/09 at 10:56 am
Posted on 10/3/09 at 11:05 am to H-Town Tiger
Hey bag-head, made no mention of ESPN. L.A. papers were full of that saying at the time. Also no mention of number of NFL players lame one. Again, the media gave the names out, not anyone who had a clue. Pretty obvious that this camp did not think the trojenz were that good but everyone knows they were the media darlings. And finally pencil neck did you play college football? I didn't think so. Seeya.
Posted on 10/3/09 at 11:13 am to RANDY44
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made no mention of ESPN.
Made no mention of you mentioning ESPN, I pointed out it was a labels others made on USC, not something Pete Carroll or USC called themselves. And the little fact most of you tards overlook and that is the fact that they did not lable USC 05 the best team ever.
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L.A. papers were full of that saying at the time
Again outside sources, not USC. Call out the media for being idiots, USC had nothing to do with the label.
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Also no mention of number of NFL players lame one
That's the point moron, you called Texas a one man gang, if that is true, why did more Texas players from that game wind up in the NFL?
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nd finally pencil neck did you play college football? I didn't think so. Seeya.
The last refuge of the idiot, can't beat someone's argument, resort to pointless ad hominem attacks.
This post was edited on 10/3/09 at 11:16 am
Posted on 10/3/09 at 11:27 am to Hired Gun
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Does anybody remeber how horrible Carroll was in the NFL. Drew Bledsoe played lying flat on his back looking through his earhole. This dude couldn't do shite if he wasn't in the WACK10 and LA. Usc stumbled into him. oops look what we found. Look at what NE did shortly after he left.
I wouldnt get into this argument. The SEC sports 3 of the biggest NFL busts of all-time in Spurrier, Saban, and Petrino.
Posted on 10/3/09 at 11:40 am to H-Town Tiger
Hey witless! We know it's a stretch but try real hard to have a cogent thought process before you post. Again Nimrod, no one said the trojenz called themselves anything at all. The point was made to emphasize much of PC's legend was driven by the inane ramblings of folks such as yourself; factless drivel resulting in molehills passing themselves off as mountains. And for times to numerous to count now, it's been pointed out repeatedly that the "labels" for both the trojenz and shorthorns were applied by the media, not sponsored by anyone from this community, outside yourself of course. BTW it's so nice of your babysitter to let you play with her computer.
Posted on 10/3/09 at 11:44 am to bomber77
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I wouldnt get into this argumen
That would be smart, because PC was not horrible in the NFL. despite what the tards say. He was aight. in 4 years he was 33-31, had only 1 losing season 6-10 his 1 and only year with the Jets. With NE he made the playoffs twice and did not have a losing season. He was fired after going 8-8. They hired Belichick. In his first 5 years as HC with the Browns, he was 36-44 and had only 1 winning season. Carroll's last year in NE they were 8-8, the next year with BB they were 5-11. They started the 2001 season 1-3 when Bledsoe got hurt and Brady stepped in. I've always wondered what would have happen to NE if Bledsoe didn't get hurt that year?
Posted on 10/3/09 at 11:51 am to H-Town Tiger
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There is no way he knows what he is talking about, only what he read on the internet.
This thread is a good example of where we get the term rantards from.
I know. People just regurgitating what other people regurgitate. After reading how terrible Pete was in the NFL, I actually looked it up a couple of years ago. I was surprised to find out he made the playoffs a couple of times, won the AFC East once(I think), and had an overall record above .500. They are not making a bust for him in Canton, by any means, but he was far from terrible. Butch Davis, Saban, Petrino--all coaches who are probably more revered on here by the crowd who likes to downgrade Pete's accomplishments--were all much, much bigger busts. All time busts.
Posted on 10/3/09 at 11:53 am to RANDY44
This post was edited on 10/3/09 at 11:57 am
Posted on 10/3/09 at 11:53 am to RANDY44
This post was edited on 10/3/09 at 11:56 am
Posted on 10/3/09 at 11:54 am to Hot Carl
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Butch Davis, Saban, Petrino--all coaches who are probably more revered on here by the crowd who likes to downgrade Pete's accomplishments--were all much, much bigger busts. All time busts
This list is imcomplete with the man who was going to change pro football forever......Spurrier.
Posted on 10/3/09 at 11:55 am to RANDY44
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We know it's a stretch but try real hard to have a cogent thought process before you post.
Irony has a name and it is RANDY44. All of my points are based on facts which you do not dispute, and instead resort to the only comebacks a small mind like yours can come up with, insults.
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The point was made to emphasize much of PC's legend was driven by the inane ramblings of folks such as yourself; factless drivel resulting in molehills passing themselves off as mountains
I base my opinions on facts. 11 wins, and top 4 ranking and no loss by more than 1 score since 2001 is what I base my opinion of PC on. You respond with cliches about the slack 10 or what ever and how tough the SEC is, ignoreing facts like the beat Ark 50-14 in Arky the yr the pigs went 7-1 and won the SECW.
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And for times to numerous to count now, it's been pointed out repeatedly that the "labels" for both the trojenz and shorthorns were applied by the media,
It maybe times to numerous for someone like yourself that as to get naked to count to 21, but you have responded to 2 of my posts and this is the only time you mentioned.
Posted on 10/3/09 at 11:57 am to As RXd
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Well, the only thing that pete is good at is surrounding himself with talent. By that I'm talking about OCs, DCs, . . .
Exactly. I would rather have Les Miles; I like is style. Carroll has the extreme luxury of getting the lion's share of best recruits in the most populous state in the union, California. There team is loaded with 5 stars every season yet USC seems to have at least one major let-down game every season to a lesser opponent.
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