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re: Who was the better Coach, Dinardo vs. Archer, my first post
Posted on 6/22/13 at 4:15 pm to Ace Midnight
Posted on 6/22/13 at 4:15 pm to Ace Midnight
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Archer was a better coach than Hallman, though. I hope you're not arguing the opposite here.
Archer was absolutely better (as evidenced by the solid career he's had as an assistant) but just wasn't ready to take over the program and was a terrible recruiter. Id love to see what he could do now as a head coach somewhere.
Ps: is archer still at nc state?
This post was edited on 6/22/13 at 4:20 pm
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Posted on 6/22/13 at 4:52 pm to EvrybodysAllAmerican
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is archer still at nc state?
Yep. He's still there.
I know he had issues the last couple of years at LSU, but I liked the guy.
Posted on 6/22/13 at 6:03 pm to TempleTiger
Thanks for all great posts, have to agree with what I think is consensus...Dinardo better overall coach, Archer solid but left LSU worse than when he came. Both undermined by their loyalty to assistants and losing control of program. But also have to add that I view Hallman as waaaaay below either, more in the ears whitworth category.
Posted on 6/22/13 at 6:22 pm to lsuallsportsfan
solid first post. welcome. I usually look at SEC/NC titles but GD was the better coach, IMO.
Posted on 6/22/13 at 7:32 pm to TDsngumbo
DiNardo hands down. His fortunes started falling when Carl Reese (def coord) took a lateral transfer to Texas because he had problems with DiNardo's micromanaging. DiNardo brought Lou Tepper which was a total disaster.
Posted on 6/22/13 at 7:40 pm to choupiquesushi
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This removed mike gottfried from consideration
As well as Steve Spurrier and Mike Shanahan, who were both interested. Oddly, Arns would then hire Spurrier. I really do not think that was a coincidence. Yes, Arns had problems with Brodhead. According to Brod's book, Arns wanted him to fire Dale Brown and Brown called the NCAA a bunch of "Gestapo Bastards" in a Sport Illustrated interview, claiming that Brown's remarks hurt his ability to recruit. However, the rest of the SEC already knew that Arns really did not like recruiting in the first place.
Posted on 6/22/13 at 7:41 pm to lsuallsportsfan
Mike Archer was the beneficiary of the previous head coach at LSU. He had stockpiled some great recruits and Archer was a flop IMO. LSU had the momentum and Archer could not maintain it. Pretty sad...
Posted on 6/23/13 at 12:36 am to mpwilging
Archer couldn't recruit, and put the program into a tailspin...at least Dinardo started well, and could recruit, it was his loyalty to certain coaches that cost him his job...
Posted on 6/23/13 at 2:33 am to lsuallsportsfan
Who cares. Why even bring up the three stooges of LSU football??
Posted on 6/23/13 at 3:14 am to lsuallsportsfan
all that matters is that your first post is good enough so these integrity/english police dont bash u in order to simply make themselves look better to another set of judging judgers,,, lmao people on here its a trip
Posted on 6/23/13 at 6:10 am to mpwilging
mpwilging,
Bill Arnsberger hated to recruit, in fact by Archer second year here as our DB coach him and Pete were put in charge of hitting the road to recruit for LSU.
LSU's staff under Bill and Mike is one of the top 3 in the SEC, the problem as I have posted here many times is prop 48 and the low level of talent out of Louisiana in the middle to late 80's.
And this is at a time when only 1-2 of the top 12 signed out of state. In the 70's it was nothing to see 5-6 of the top 12 sign out of state. Pete helped break down the wall of the New Orleans area in recruiting, that Stovall started.
In 1989 LSU lost a number to out of state school but none made All American or 1st team all conference. The top 2 recruits lost in state under Archer are Michael Carr and Baron Jackson.
Arnsberger made his name at LSU living of Stovall's recruits, in fact the 1987 LSU is still stacked with a number of Stovall recruits.
When Bill leaves we have a weaken secondary with near no depth and a dl super thin for the SEC. Next to those two position lb is also hurting. Bill got out of town because he could see the hand writing on the wall.
Bill Arnsberger hated to recruit, in fact by Archer second year here as our DB coach him and Pete were put in charge of hitting the road to recruit for LSU.
LSU's staff under Bill and Mike is one of the top 3 in the SEC, the problem as I have posted here many times is prop 48 and the low level of talent out of Louisiana in the middle to late 80's.
And this is at a time when only 1-2 of the top 12 signed out of state. In the 70's it was nothing to see 5-6 of the top 12 sign out of state. Pete helped break down the wall of the New Orleans area in recruiting, that Stovall started.
In 1989 LSU lost a number to out of state school but none made All American or 1st team all conference. The top 2 recruits lost in state under Archer are Michael Carr and Baron Jackson.
Arnsberger made his name at LSU living of Stovall's recruits, in fact the 1987 LSU is still stacked with a number of Stovall recruits.
When Bill leaves we have a weaken secondary with near no depth and a dl super thin for the SEC. Next to those two position lb is also hurting. Bill got out of town because he could see the hand writing on the wall.
Posted on 6/23/13 at 6:51 am to tigger1
The talent wasn't bad in la in late 80s, they went elsewhere because of the shitty recruiting by archer....
Archer inherited a talented team...hs coaches in la turned on him fast
Hall man was a better recruiter than archer..
Dinardo was better than both as evidenced on the field and off...a lot of what saban was able to kick start was put here by dinardo
Archer started the longest string of losing season in LSU history, with a team that started as SEC champions...think about that......
Archer inherited a talented team...hs coaches in la turned on him fast
Hall man was a better recruiter than archer..
Dinardo was better than both as evidenced on the field and off...a lot of what saban was able to kick start was put here by dinardo
Archer started the longest string of losing season in LSU history, with a team that started as SEC champions...think about that......
Posted on 6/23/13 at 10:26 am to DaSaltyTiger
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As well as Steve Spurrier and Mike Shanahan, who were both interested. Oddly, Arns would then hire Spurrier. I really do not think that was a coincidence
I'm surprised it took this long for this myth to pop up. The year LSU hired Archer, Spurrier was hired by Duke. Duke! At that point in time, he had only be OC at Duke and HC in the USFL. He didn't even coach in 1986. Other teams that hired new coaches after 86 season were Alabama, Texas and USC. In Jan 1987 Spurrier was not Spurrier yet. To suggest that Arnsparger purposely made sure LSU didn't hire him, so he could 3 years later is just tinfoil hat nonsense.
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Arns had problems with Brodhead. According to Brod's book, Arns wanted him to fire Dale Brown
BA wanted the AD job, Brodhead out or on the way out at that point.
Posted on 6/23/13 at 11:51 am to H-Town Tiger
The fact remains that Spurrier and Shanahan were both interested in the job at the time.
Posted on 6/23/13 at 1:09 pm to H-Town Tiger
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BA wanted the AD job, Brodhead out or on the way out at that point.
Which AD job...LSU or Flor?
BB had only been here a few yrs, had hired BA who was winning football games at a better rate than any LSU coach 50 yrs before him, and the BOS were still pretty happy with BB.
I don't think BA had any real hopes that he would be able to replace BB, but it seems pretty clear to me based on events that he wanted out of college HC'ing in a bad way.
As to the better HC, MA took over successful program and drove it down. GD took over a program in the tolit for 6 yrs and made it bowl worthy till he refused to make changes in his staff.
Posted on 6/23/13 at 1:41 pm to Lonnie4LSU
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Which AD job...LSU or Flor?
LSU is what I meant.
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B had only been here a few yrs, had hired BA who was winning football games at a better rate than any LSU coach 50 yrs before him, and the BOS were still pretty happy with BB
Brodhead was ahead of his time in a lot of ways and did some great things at LSU. Along with BA, he hired Skip and I think Sue Gunter. He started in 1982 and was suspended by Chan. Wharton in Oct 86 per his own book. He's listed as AD from 82-87, so I'm not sure exactly when he left but I'm pretty sure by the time BA resigned, it was apparent LSU would need a new AD shortly.
Posted on 6/23/13 at 1:48 pm to DaSaltyTiger
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The fact remains that Spurrier and Shanahan were both interested in the job at the time.
I don't remember hearing Shanahan's name at the time, but he was OC with the Broncos and had been OC at Florida before moving to Denver. He would have at least been a viable candidate.
Spurrier may have been "interested", I'm sure a lot of coaches were interested but Spurrier was not a viable candidate at that time. He took the job at Duke, that was his best offer. It's nothing but 20/20 hindsight. If it was so obvious he would be such a great coach, why was he not in line for Alabama, Texas or USC which all hired new coaches that year?
Posted on 6/23/13 at 2:42 pm to H-Town Tiger
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Brodhead was ahead of his time in a lot of ways and did some great things at LSU
Perhaps, but he was also a lightening rod for
controversy during his time here and the way he handled those working under him left a lot to be desired.imo
He did come in 82 and by the 4th game of the 83 season, he had JS, coming off a 8-3 record with a Orange Bowl invite, on a “game-by-game evaluation” that he released to the media after the team started 2-2.
By Aug of 86, BA was leaving the LSU fall practice field to catch a plane to interview for the Flor A.D. gig. The next week he takes his name out of the running, like 2 weeks later Flor stops their search till the end of the 86 football season for their new AD., and at the end of that yr who gets the job....BA.
Crazy days at LSU, huh.
Makes Joe's driving problems seem a tad tame.
Posted on 6/23/13 at 3:19 pm to Lonnie4LSU
Some people think Brodhead was hired just to fire Stovall, because Stovall was so well liked, if there was an outcry they could blame Brodhead and then get rid of him, but that went out the window after the 82 season
He did some things like TigerVision PPV, streamlined the concessions and ads in Tiger Stadium that turned a profit.
He did some things like TigerVision PPV, streamlined the concessions and ads in Tiger Stadium that turned a profit.
Posted on 6/23/13 at 7:00 pm to choupiquesushi
choupiquesushi
LSU didn't lose many out of state until 1989 and that year was way down talent wise.
I have posted to this board many times the top 12 in state from the Archer years, the starting lineups from the years Bill coached (which are totally dominated by Stovall's recruits) and Archer's starting lineups and 1987 still has many starters recruited by Stovall on the team.
Hallman only recruits better because the talent level is back up and that is all.
But Hallman also loses out on a who's who of college football as our head coach. Archer never lost a single All American in college to another team, Hallman lost many. And that in it self should tell you if Hallman recruited better that the talent level is very low in Louisiana those years, but logic plays no part of myths.
LSU didn't lose many out of state until 1989 and that year was way down talent wise.
I have posted to this board many times the top 12 in state from the Archer years, the starting lineups from the years Bill coached (which are totally dominated by Stovall's recruits) and Archer's starting lineups and 1987 still has many starters recruited by Stovall on the team.
Hallman only recruits better because the talent level is back up and that is all.
But Hallman also loses out on a who's who of college football as our head coach. Archer never lost a single All American in college to another team, Hallman lost many. And that in it self should tell you if Hallman recruited better that the talent level is very low in Louisiana those years, but logic plays no part of myths.
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