re: Who was the better Coach, Dinardo vs. Archer, my first post

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Recruiting is far and away the most important part of college coaching and DiNardo could recruit.

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Absolutely disagree with this. It's only half the equation. The other half is taking maximum advantage of the talent you now have and making them play to their true potential via creative play calling. There's been a long run of (offensive) talent-squandering in recent years at LSU. And don't give me that 10-Win BS.

I actually liked GD. It was unfortunate that he got married to Tepper. Can't say he didn't have a chance though. LSU BOS gave him a shot to get rid of Tepper before 99 and he declined.

Besides that, GD was a much better coach all around than Archer.

Archers recruiting was not bad. 1987 class was decent and the 1988 class pulled in almost every top talent in the state of Louisiana and rated the 4th best class in the nation by Emfinger and top 10 by a young Tom Lemming.

Remember, the poor development by coaches of those recruits had a great deal to do with them being labeled failures.

Didn't both get hurt by backstabbing from assistants? p Jenkins helped kill archer. Or is this bs?

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Didn't both get hurt by backstabbing from assistants? p Jenkins helped kill archer. Or is this bs?

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Didn't know of the Jenkins thing. He's so beloved by LSU folks I suppose if it did happen he'd get alot of slack from LSU fans and maybe get overlooked or rationalized.

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Absolutely disagree with this. It's only half the equation

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Then, you would be absolutely wrong.

Recruiting is 80%, if not more, of the college game.

You can be the best coach in the world on game day or get 100% out of your talent, but all that is worthless without recruting talent needed to compete at the SEC level.

You can put Saban at Vandy or Cal or Indiana and his teams will struggle until he gets the talent to compete.

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There's been a long run of (offensive) talent-squandering in recent years at LSU.

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Name them and tell us how well that talent has done at the next level or how highly regarded that talent was valued on draft day.

you'd be surprised how much talent Dinardo had his first year:

Kevin Faulk RB LSU 1999-NE-46

Tory James DB LSU 1996-DEN-44

Eddie Kennison WR 1/20/1973 Lake Charles,LA 6-1 201 LSU 1996-STL-18

David LaFleur TE 1/29/1974 Lake Charles,LA 6-7 277 LSU 1997-DAL-22

Arnold Miller DE 1/3/1975 New Orleans,LA 6-3 275 LSU 1999-CLE-UDFA

Kenny Mixon DE 5/31/1975 Sun Valley,CA 6-4 271 LSU 1998-MIA-49

Gabe Northern DE 6/8/1974 Baton Rouge,LA 6-3 240 LSU 1996-BUF-53

Denard Walker CB 8/9/1973 Dallas,TX 6-1 190 LSU 1997-TENO-75

Chuck Wiley DE 3/6/1975 Baton Rouge,LA 6-5 278 LSU 1998-CAR-62

Booger McFarland, etc.

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Kevin Faulk RB LSU 1999-NE-46

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First Dinardo recruit - would have gone out of state if Hallman remained the coach.

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Arnold Miller DE 1/3/1975 New Orleans,LA 6-3 275 LSU 1999-CLE-UDFA

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Technically a Dinardo recruit.

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Booger McFarland

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Technically a Dinardo recruit.

In any event neither Miller nor McFarland played a down for Hallman.

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Hallman definitely left the cupboard full when he left. Probably more so than Dinardo did.

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I , IRL.

Just in his final 2 classes (1998 and 1999), Dinardo signed (and these guys played for both him and Saban):

1999

OL Jonathan Autrey, Cecilia, La. (Cecilia)
PK John Corbello, Lafayette, La. (St. Thomas More)
DB/RB Domanick Davis, Breaux Bridge, La. (Breaux Bridge)
TE Eric Edwards, Monroe, La. (Ouachita Christian)
LB Treverance Faulk, Lafayette, La. (Lafayette)
LB Bradie James,West Monroe, La. (West Monroe)
P Donnie Jones, Baton Rouge, La. (Catholic)
DE Chad Lavalais, Marksville, La. (Marksville)
DB Norman LeJeune, Brusly, La. (Brusly)
WR Jerel Myers, Houston, Texas (Madison)
OL Rodney Reed,West Monroe, La. (West Monroe)
RB LaBrandon Toefield, Independence, La. (Independence)

1998

DL Kenderick Allen, Bogalusa, La. (Bogalusa)
LB Chris Cooper, Harvey, La. (West Jefferson)
DL Byron Dawson, Shreveport, La. (Evangel)
OG Sam Forehand, Ocean Springs, Miss. (Vancleave)
DL Howard Green, Donaldsonville, La. (Donaldsonville)
DB Damien James, Carencro, La. (Carencro)
LB Jeremy Lawrence, Ferriday, La. (Ferriday)
RB Josh Reed, Rayne, La. (Rayne)
DL Melvin Richey, Decatur, Ga. (SW DeKalb)
WR Reginald Robinson, Shreveport, La. (Fair Park)
OT Rob Sale, Monroe, La. (Neville)
OG Brad Smalling,West Monroe, La. (West Monroe)
DB Lionel Thomas, Opelousas, La. (Opelousas)



And there were still guys like Booker, Ryan Clark and Davey who carried over to Saban's tenure.

Hallman left Dinardo more talent than Dinardo left Saban? That's incompehensibly wrong.

The 99 class was really good. 98 not so much outside of Reed who probably would have stayed on the bench at RB with Dinardo.

Did you not see the list earlier of Hallman talent? (Kennison, Lafleur, Northern, McFarland, Alan Faneca are all-time LSU greats) Its not so uneven as you are making it out to be. Anyway my point was that Hallman left a good amount of talent, was not meant to discredit the amount Dinardo left. Id say they were pretty even. Just that people forget the talent Hallman recruited (and squandered).