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re: Who here agreed with pulmonary with the pitching (from the beginning of the game)?
Posted on 6/8/21 at 3:22 am to GoneFishing21
Posted on 6/8/21 at 3:22 am to GoneFishing21
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No you just knew that Edwards couldn’t get a double play ball and Hellmers could.
That’s based on observing reality. That’s not what a crystal ball does.
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Posted on 6/8/21 at 3:24 am to BayouBlogger
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That’s based on observing reality. That’s not what a crystal ball does.
It’s not based on anything. It’s just throwing something silly out there thinking it sounds good. What’s it based on to believe Edwards wasn’t capable of inducing a double play ball and Hellmers is?
Posted on 6/8/21 at 3:30 am to GoneFishing21
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Including Hilliard and Fontenot
This is the problem. You think watching the game requires magic and talking out of your arse doesn’t.
Hilliard DID pitch one inning damn well, against the top of the order. The #1 batter batting first is normally the toughest possible inning. So he was adequately rested to pitch at least one inning. Edwards did not appear to be so from the first batter. It was too late to go back then.
This post was edited on 6/8/21 at 3:38 am
Posted on 6/8/21 at 3:31 am to GoneFishing21
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What’s it based on to believe Edwards wasn’t capable of inducing a double play ball and Hellmers is?
The fact that he struggled with strikes and outs in general. Good command helps you throw potential double play pitches.
Posted on 6/8/21 at 3:35 am to GoneFishing21
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It’s not based on anything.
Now you tell me what it’s based on to suggest Hellmers and Hilliard were just about to put the lead off runner on or give up a homer if they weren’t stopped by Paul Nostradamus.
Posted on 6/8/21 at 3:44 am to theantiquetiger
I thought he has a quick hook on some guys, but at least it seemed like he had a plan and it wasn’t another “gut feeling”
Posted on 6/8/21 at 3:44 am to BayouBlogger
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The fact that he struggled with strikes and outs in general. Good command helps you throw potential double play pitches.
So I’m still not seeing how Edwards isn’t capable of inducing a double play ball but Hellmers is even thought he actually walked a batter.
Posted on 6/8/21 at 3:49 am to BayouBlogger
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Now you tell me what it’s based on to suggest Hellmers and Hilliard were just about to put the lead off runner on or give up a homer if they weren’t stopped by Paul Nostradamus.
First You gave an opinion. Nothing about what you said proves Edwards can’t induce a double play. Secondly, I was making fun of you by talking about what players were going to do in the future had they been in the game. I don’t actually know. But, I’ll answer your question as it relates to Hellmers because it’s clear that Hilliard wasn’t pulled and was never planning to be used more than one inning. Hellmers throws a lot of fairly straight fastballs over the plate. Do I know they would have hit a home run or started driving the ball off of him? No. What is obvious is that they are a team that can really hit fastballs and Hellmers was not going to overpower them. I’m not assuming he would have been knocked out of the game, just like I also won’t assume that he was going to go out there and throw five or six scoreless on them either.
This post was edited on 6/8/21 at 3:56 am
Posted on 6/8/21 at 3:52 am to The Pirate King
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it seemed like he had a plan and it wasn’t another “gut feeling”
Disagree. I think it was pure feeling the whole time.
Posted on 6/8/21 at 3:54 am to GoneFishing21
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even thought he actually walked a batter.
It’s very common for a guy who issues a walk to have the command to get a double play.
Posted on 6/8/21 at 3:57 am to BayouBlogger
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It’s very common for a guy who issues a walk to have the command to get a double play.
So let me get this straight. Edwards command and lack of getting outs was going to prevent him from getting a double play, but Hellmers walk was just to set up the double play because he’s capable of getting a ground ball and Edwards isn’t? Am I following correctly now?
Posted on 6/8/21 at 4:21 am to GoneFishing21
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just like I also won’t assume that he was going to go out there and throw five or six scoreless on them either.
I didn’t either, you wouldn’t need to straw man if you knew what you were talking about.
Posted on 6/8/21 at 4:23 am to GoneFishing21
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Am I following correctly now?
Do you realize most pitchers who throw no-hitters issue walks along the way? Short answer: no, but you’re either not really trying or you’re special needs.
This post was edited on 6/8/21 at 4:28 am
Posted on 6/8/21 at 4:27 am to BayouBlogger
You act like hilliard and hellmers were perfect
Posted on 6/8/21 at 4:29 am to Tigerpride18
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You act like hilliard and hellmers were perfect
No one is acting like that.
Posted on 6/8/21 at 4:29 am to BayouBlogger
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Do you realize most pitchers who throw no-hitters issue walks along the way? Short answer: no, but you’re either not really trying or you’re special needs.
You do realize that a pitcher can struggle and still get a ground ball double play? Apparently you don’t. You’re the one who said Edwards wasn’t capable of getting one because of his control.
Posted on 6/8/21 at 4:35 am to BayouBlogger
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I didn’t either, you wouldn’t need to straw man if you knew what you were talking about.
Apparently you don’t know what a straw man is. I wasn’t referring to what you said. However, you did make implications about how Hilliard and Hellmers would have done had they stayed in. So, it wouldn’t be a straw man regardless.
Posted on 6/8/21 at 4:36 am to GoneFishing21
I’m talking about likelihood. It’s more likely to lose a game if you give up 8 runs than 6, for instance. You might win if you give up 8. Oregon won the first game giving up 10. Doesn’t mean the coach made perfect choices.
Posted on 6/8/21 at 4:38 am to GoneFishing21
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you did make implications
my implication was not that I was sure exactly what they had left in them. That was something you made up.
Posted on 6/8/21 at 4:40 am to BayouBlogger
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my implication was not that I was sure exactly what they had left in them. That was something you made up.
It’s not about the exact prediction of innings. It’s the assumption that you know how they would have performed. You don’t know. None of us do. Floyd could have gone out there and thrown 8 shutout innings for all we knew. It’s easy to say what would have happened when the player wasn’t in so there’s no way to disprove it.
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