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re: which is easier to cut down, sacks or INT's?
Posted on 4/9/10 at 10:27 am to ninthward
Posted on 4/9/10 at 10:27 am to ninthward
from an outsider's perspective (me), JL is the better QB. Go with the QB that can move the offense.
Sure he may throw some INT's, but with more live playing time he will learn.
I really can't see why JJ was a 4* QB. I'm sorry, but he is barely a 3* IMO.
Sure he may throw some INT's, but with more live playing time he will learn.
I really can't see why JJ was a 4* QB. I'm sorry, but he is barely a 3* IMO.
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Posted on 4/9/10 at 11:11 am to FootballNostradamus
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However, it's an awfully simpleminded fanbase to not see the progression Lee has made in terms of accuracy and reads.
JL's last start, vs not-quite-ready-for-the-SEC LaTech, @ homecoming, time to shine, redemption due... 7/22 & 105yds. All else is pure conjecture.
Takes an even simpler mind to ignore actual game results and hail virtues of spring game scrimmage performances.
Posted on 4/9/10 at 11:20 am to lsu xman
if the play calling does not call for touch passes, JLEE's numbers will be all TDs and few INTs. He chokes trying to pass in the flat.
He's fine throwing it 30 or 40 yards downfield.
He's fine throwing it 30 or 40 yards downfield.
Posted on 4/9/10 at 11:33 am to lsu xman
quote:Sacks, no doubt.
which is easier to cut down, sacks or INT's?
Work on timing and better OL play= fewer sacks.
The real question: Which is worse 40 sacks in a season, or 16 INT's with 7 returned for TD's?
Posted on 4/9/10 at 11:33 am to Roaad
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Which is worse 40 sacks in a season, or 16 INT's with 7 returned for TD's?
16 INT's with 7 returned for TD's
Posted on 4/9/10 at 11:54 am to yeanheard
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What is even worse is JJ had 9 sacks in 08 to JL's 8. How did he have 1 more sack when he only played in 2 1/2 games?
All the JJ supporters will continue to ignore this stat.
All the JL supporters love it.
I think JL would be a better choice FWIW, but I don't think we win more/less games either way we go. Quite the situation we have ourselves in.
I would like to see us score more, however, which is why I would like to see JL this year. Our defense looks like they can take a game over and pull it out for us if need be.
In either case,
! 
Posted on 4/9/10 at 12:26 pm to lsu xman
Jefferson is too dumb to deciper a defense and folds under pressure, resulting in sacks. It takes him 30 minutes to find someone open.
This post was edited on 4/9/10 at 12:28 pm
Posted on 4/9/10 at 12:31 pm to Three 6 Italia
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Jefferson is too dumb to deciper a defense and folds under pressure, resulting in sacks. It takes him 30 minutes to find someone open.
JJ had one intentional grounding call and no sacks versus the best defense in the SEC in 2009 in Alabama. I re-watched the game and he did not fold at all.
Posted on 4/9/10 at 1:17 pm to lsu xman
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in 09', JJ had 296 pass attempts while taking 34 sacks.
JL in 2 seasons had 309 pass attempts with only 11 sacks
I think the stats are misleading; in that, 2009 O-Line was terrible and most of JJ stats were with the 2009 O-Line. The O-line in 2008 with Helms & Johnson was a better O-Line. I think the 2010 O-Line will be much improved with Wilkerson helping by conducting drills and emphasizing techniques. We will have a running game and we will see fewer sacks this year. I hope Miles leaves the QB open to competition and makes a decision based on the fall practice performances of the QB's. The O-Line will determine the # of sacks this year and I think we will have fewer.
This post was edited on 4/9/10 at 1:24 pm
Posted on 4/9/10 at 2:50 pm to DByrd2
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What is even worse is JJ had 9 sacks in 08 to JL's 8. How did he have 1 more sack when he only played in 2 1/2 games?
Wasnt that with the same great offensive line and same great running game that JLee had?
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Posted on 4/9/10 at 2:59 pm to RobbBobb
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How'd it look while scoring 38 against UGA? 21 against Florida?
Hmmm... Florida- Lee threw a pick-six and "settled down" when the Gators knew they had the game and didnt care about a few more yards. Georgia- JL threw 2 pick sixes and Georgia was in the same mindset as Florida when we put up points...
Posted on 4/9/10 at 3:12 pm to Will2nd
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JJ had one intentional grounding call and no sacks versus the best defense in the SEC in 2009 in Alabama. I re-watched the game and he did not fold at all.
This is the fact that all JL lovers overlook. In the biggest game of the season, JJ was having a very above average game against one of the best defenses in the nation. He looked to be taking some big steps forward. Then he got hurt and appeared to resort back to his old self upon returning. Without that injury, I honestly believe we are not having this conversation. But it did and now there will be JJ vs. JL debates until game one.
Posted on 4/9/10 at 3:16 pm to ottothewise
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He chokes trying to pass in the flat.
The solution is don't let him throw a pass in the flat. Problem solved.
Posted on 4/9/10 at 3:27 pm to Mr. Wayne
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In the biggest game of the season, JJ was having a very above average game against one of the best defenses in the nation.
Which is sad that JJ supporters view it that way. In 6 series, LSU had gone 3-and-out, 4 of the 6 times.
Posted on 4/9/10 at 3:38 pm to RobbBobb
He was 10-17 for 114 yards and a touchdown, before leaving with the injury, against the toughest defense the team faced all year. That is a good game in my eyes. He didn't turn the ball over and moved the team down the field when he was given time. This debate is gettting more and more ridiculous by the day. You have to look at both QB's and see their strenghts. Neither one is the QB we need them to be at this point. Either one of them could improve over the summer, correcting a lot of their mistakes, to lead our team to the promised land. Who knows if it will happen. I get what both sides are saying. But there is no objective view point anymore. One will always suck, or the other will always suck, or they both will always suck are the common outlooks here. I'm choosing to keep the faith.
This post was edited on 4/9/10 at 3:40 pm
Posted on 4/9/10 at 3:39 pm to Mr. Wayne
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Either one of them could improve over the summer, correcting a lot of their mistakes, to lead our team to the promised land. Who knows if it will happen. I get what both sides are saying. But there is no objective view point anymore. One will always suck, or the other will always suck, or they both will always suck is the common outlook here. I'm choosing to keep the faith.
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Posted on 4/9/10 at 3:59 pm to molsusports
both if you just run the ball
Posted on 4/9/10 at 4:10 pm to Big Fat
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Neither one is a legit SEC QB.
This...
But, since we have what we have, I'd say I'd rather see us use JL in a starting role, because I believe with a team behind him, and a full season to be the guy... he would improve on his reads, his bad habits, and succeed.
Posted on 4/9/10 at 6:50 pm to FootballNostradamus
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Allow me to sum this thread up:
JL supporters say that its easier to cut down on ints
JJ supporters say that its easier to cut down on sacks
I'm agreeing with this guy.
Posted on 4/9/10 at 7:31 pm to LuzianaFootball
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Because it's really easy to come into a game with little to no preparation and perform well against the best defense in the nation. If you expected a QB who wasn't part of the gameplan to come in and succeed in that situation, then you clearly don't know what goes into preparing a team to play each week.
How long are you gonna keep using this as an excuse? It's just like you say about JJ's age. The backup's job is to be ready at a moments notice. It's the main reason JJ became the staarter in the first place. He came in and made plays all to it.
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