re: What will it take for Orgeron to overtake Les Miles as the GOAT LSU football coach?

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the Alabama Saban is a better coach then the LSU Saban.

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You're 100% correct. In my opinion, Saban was an above average coach during his time at LSU, and that's what his record shows. His record and accomplishments at Bama show him as being easily one of the top 2 or 3 head coaches in college football.

Now also in my opinion, some of the advantages of being the head coach of Alabama, have helped him become one of college football's best.

Saban got his arse handed to him in the NFL , and he came back to the college ranks with a fire in his belly that was more intense than it was while he was at LSU. Again, this is only my opinion.

It's funny how some posters have taken offense to people talking about Orgerons record at Ole Miss. and their stance that coaches can and do get better as years pass and from job to job, yet feel that Saban at Bama is the exact same coach as Saban at LSU.

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His record and accomplishments at Bama show him as being easily one of the top 2 or 3 head coaches in college football.

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He's probably surpassed Bear Bryant as all-time college head coach, the talent's better and he is allowed less scholarship players on roster than Bear's era AND won 4 natties in 7 years, that's GOAT accomplishment.

He's already passed Miles by getting an offensive coordinator that doesn't call plays from the 70's

I completely agree that Saban is a better coach now, no coach stays exac the same for time immemorial. I defend Miles, record but it was time for him to go.

However the idea that Saban was just a little above avg at LSU is just lazy thinking without looking at the big picture of where the program was when he got here and where it was when he left. He got better after leaving LSU, that doesn't mean he wouldn't have gotten better if he had stayed. We saw what he could do in 2003!with his talent I'd leave to hear an argument as to why he would have done worse than Miles at LSU.

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I'm sorry you don't understand context. There is more to evaluating a coach than a lazy analysis of just a record. Not all 3, 4 losss seasons are the same.

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I've been saying this for a long time, but most posters here don't care. They just look at the raw number of wins and losses to decide whether a season (or a career) was a success or not, without looking any deeper.

As you say, it's lazy analysis.

Thank God for sports reference, so clutch

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I'd leave to hear an argument as to why he would have done worse than Miles at LSU.

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Lots of possibilities there.
Urban to Bama. Harbaugh to Bama. Spurrier to Bama. Castrated in his sleep by Terry.

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4 of 5 years he had 3 or more L's

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This is sophistry at it's best. You keep ignoring or downplaying that NC. You can't.

I guess LSU doesn't claim it any more- at least according to of these anti-Saban dolts.

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I defend Miles record but it was time for him to go.

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I defend Miles as well and i agree 100% that it was time for him to go. In my opinion, he should have been replaced immediately after the 2015 season.

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However the idea that Saban was just a little above avg at LSU is just lazy thinking without looking at the big picture of where the program was when he got here and where it was when he left.

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Well, first of all, I never said "just a little above avg", I said "he was above average", second, anyone that's paid attention knows that Saban left LSU in better shape than it was when he arrived. All that being said, The SEC from 2000 to 2004 wasn't anything to brag about, especially the SEC West. In Sabans 5 years at LSU, he faced 1 team (ONE) from the west that loss less than 3 games a year, and he faced 3 teams from the east that loss less than 3 games. And of course only one SEC team won a national championship during that 5 year span.

In that 5 year span, Georgia had the best winning percentage of all the SEC teams with a 78% winning percentage. He face Georgia three times in two years. Tennessee was second with a 73% winning percentage and he faced them three times in two years. Florida had a 68% winning percentage but from 2002 to 2004, Florida was only 23-15. South Carolina had a winning percentage of 60% and he faced them twice. Kentucky was at 30% and he faced them 3 times, but the seasons he coached against kentucky, their record was 11-23. Vanderbilt was the worst from the east with a 19% winning percentage and he faced them once.

LSU had the highest winning percentage out of the west teams at 75%. Auburn was second at 72%, Arkansas and Ole Miss had 58%, Alabama was 49% and Miss State was at 33%.

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He got better after leaving LSU, that doesn't mean he wouldn't have gotten better if he had stayed.

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Of course that would have been possible.

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We saw what he could do in 2003 with his talent

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We also saw what he could do with his talent in 2004.

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I'd leave to hear an argument as to why he would have done worse than Miles at LSU.

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You're asking the wrong guy that question. I never once said he would have done worse, all I said was he isn't the same coach at Alabama that he was at LSU.

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This is sophistry at it's best.

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Nick saban at LSU had ONE season with less than 3 losses.

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You keep ignoring or downplaying that NC. You can't.

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I haven't seen anyone ignoring or downplaying the 2003 National Championship. But after an 8-5 2002 and a 9-3 2004, perhaps Saban just caught lightening in a bottle to win that championship. Because I'll tell ya, in my opinion, the 2002 and 2004 teams did not play like championship caliber teams.