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Posted on 4/22/11 at 11:33 pm to GeorgeTheGreek
Simple question George: if Miles wins the National Championship this year, will you admit you were wrong about the last 3 years, or will you insist that your knowledge is vast enough to somehow validate the conclusion that a two-time National Championship Coach simply sucked horribly for three years for absolutely no reason?
Will you have the intelligence and integrity to acknowledge that there is some possibility that your analysis of his performance the last three years could be wildly inaccurate?
Will you have the intelligence and integrity to acknowledge that there is some possibility that your analysis of his performance the last three years could be wildly inaccurate?
Posted on 4/22/11 at 11:46 pm to GeorgeTheGreek
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I like Miles, I think he's a great guy. But you're hanging on to championships from 4 years ago with another coach's player
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
The Bama fans have finally accomplished what they set out to do.
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Did I think two losses during Jemarcus Russel's senior year was at least one two many? Definitely. That's the most dominate team we've had.
Jamarcus was never a senior. He left after his junior year
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And last year I've laid out in detail. He won because of fluky plays and luck.
People forget that the Bluegrass miracle happened under Saban. And who could forget Eli Manning tripping over his own feet in the 2003 game? And need I remind everyone how many losses LSU had when they won the 2001 SEC Championship? It would be the equivalent of South Carolina winning the SEC this past season.
Posted on 4/22/11 at 11:47 pm to Jaketigger
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Pelini almost lost his job at Nebraska because of his behavior on the field.
Pull back on the reins a little bit there...He didn't almost lose his job. Not even close. He took some heat, and that was it. Granted, he shouldn't have acted the way he did, but T-Martinez rallied just as hard for his coach as any of the fans.
Just for the record, I am glad he has stayed put, but would have supported him even if he went to LSU. The man is a great coach.
Posted on 4/22/11 at 11:54 pm to King Joey
Yes Joey. I'd clearly be wrong then.
To the next poster. You're right. Sorry, it was JR's junior year. I was thinking senior because it was his last year in an LSU uniform.
To the next poster. You're right. Sorry, it was JR's junior year. I was thinking senior because it was his last year in an LSU uniform.
This post was edited on 4/22/11 at 11:56 pm
Posted on 4/23/11 at 12:06 am to GeorgeTheGreek
george,
don't listen to these logical fools.
i'll always support freedom of the press, even for a..holes like you.
don't listen to these logical fools.
i'll always support freedom of the press, even for a..holes like you.
Posted on 4/23/11 at 12:10 am to blackjackjackson
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george,
don't listen to these logical fools.
i'll always support freedom of the press, even for a..holes like you.
You mean freedom of speech?
This post was edited on 4/23/11 at 12:14 am
Posted on 4/23/11 at 1:27 am to GeorgeTheGreek
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I like SEC West championships
Then, you must be happy causet no team in the West has more west championships than LSU in the past 6 seasons.
Posted on 4/23/11 at 2:24 am to south bama tiger
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People forget that the Bluegrass miracle happened under Saban.
People forget about that?
Please stop. You cannot compare Saban and Miles. The two coaches walked into completely different sets of circumstances.
Posted on 4/23/11 at 3:44 am to TheBob
You're right, saban actually won at UK.
Posted on 4/23/11 at 4:53 am to CommunityCollegeFTW
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Pull back on the reins a little bit there
Yeah, some people have just totally run with this. I'm with the OP, how strong the anti Pelini sentiment was among some was totally surprising. I know their reasons, but I still don't get it.
Posted on 4/23/11 at 6:31 am to TheBob
The fact that so many of you were fooled. Miles was never offered the Michigan Job! There ad is a business guy and a good one. They hired hoke for a fraction of what miles cost! Also miles made some anti loyd carr statements and Carr is a legend around Michigan for his fundraising efforts and national championship. It was all a pr fleece to get miles an extension.
Posted on 4/23/11 at 8:02 am to siliconvalleytiger
Not sure it was "vehement opposition" to Bo but the logic of why whould he leave Nebraska
(who gave him his first shot as DC then his first HC shot) after 3 years to come back to LSU? Plus he is an Ohio State Alum so would he not eventualy want to return there just as most think Miles wants the Michigan HC job? Granted Tressel has OSU rolling along but that could change. Just think how fun this board would be if we did get BP with all the crap Tressel is in this off season....Man, we would have had some real fun threads...
After all was said and done I, for one, am happy Miles stayed and am looking forward to a great season in 2011!
(who gave him his first shot as DC then his first HC shot) after 3 years to come back to LSU? Plus he is an Ohio State Alum so would he not eventualy want to return there just as most think Miles wants the Michigan HC job? Granted Tressel has OSU rolling along but that could change. Just think how fun this board would be if we did get BP with all the crap Tressel is in this off season....Man, we would have had some real fun threads...
After all was said and done I, for one, am happy Miles stayed and am looking forward to a great season in 2011!
Posted on 4/23/11 at 9:13 am to Section28
I think Bo is a great coach. Many people here forget what a great job while at LSU! 
Posted on 4/23/11 at 11:03 am to TheBob
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You cannot compare Saban and Miles. The two coaches walked into completely different sets of circumstances.
Of course they did. But that 5-loss season that could have been 6 losses save for the greatest miracle in CFB history was in Saban's 3rd year and just a year after an SEC championship. Too late to still be blaming ol' Gerry.
I loved Saban, but Rocket said something a while back that I totally agree with. People expect Miles to dominate on a level that Saban never even did here. George and his ilk say that Miles will always lose 2 games (while failing to concede that ONLY losing 2 games 4/6 seasons is pretty fricking good). However, Saban only lost less than 3 games 1 time in 5 seasons here.
So Les loses ONLY 2 games 66% of the time, and Saban loses AT LEAST 3 80% of the time. Yet for whatever reason, people have this silly notion that we were some unstoppable super-power under Saban, when that's just not the reality. We had one dominant season under Saban--and even then we had a "Les Miles like" loss to a mediocre Florida team lead by a true freshman QB. At Tiger Statdium.
Posted on 4/23/11 at 11:45 am to golf teaching pro
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was all a pr fleece to get miles an extension.
Rightttttttttttt.........
UM delays naming their coach till after the Cotton Bowl and sends a plane of school reps to BR in the 11th hour of their coaching search all to get an extension for a guy who pissed off, supposedly, "Carr is a legend around Michigan for his fundraising efforts and national championship" UM power players ?????
That thought process doesn't come close to passing the giggle test. imo
Posted on 4/23/11 at 11:58 am to golf teaching pro
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The fact that so many of you were fooled. Miles was never offered the Michigan Job!
Too bad you don't know what went on......
You don't jump through hoops and not offer the job....
Posted on 4/23/11 at 2:13 pm to Hot Carl
Carl, I agree but I think people realize Saban was building a steam roller. I honestly don't believe that 06 team loses a game under the Saban staff. I also don't think we would have seen the downward trend the next two years. Who knows?
This post was edited on 4/23/11 at 2:19 pm
Posted on 4/23/11 at 2:29 pm to GeorgeTheGreek
quote:I wonder how long that steamroller would have taken to build? I mean, after 5 years, 2 SEC Championships, a National Championship and a slew of elite recruiting classes, he still dropped 3 Ls in '04. And then last year, after back to back SEC-West Championship seasons and coming off an undefeated National Championship season, and again with a slew of elite recruiting classes, he again drops 3 games. In all his years of coaching, has he ever fashioned a program that would truly be more accurately described as a "steamroller" rather than as "a great season"?
Carl, I agree but I think people realize Saban was building a steam roller. I honestly don't believe that 06 team loses a game under the Saban staff. I also don't think we would have seen the downward trend the next two years.
quote:Well, the 10-3 record and 10th/11th ranked finish last season are the best he's ever managed post-National Championship any program. If he ever manages to improve on that, maybe the he could start earning credit for running a championship caliber program rather than building one. Right now, he hasn't really done anything to distinguish himself from a dozen or so successful coaches for a program that doesn't need rebuilding. 9-3/10-3 with a top level program is very successful, but not the kind of elite credentials that he has for "fixer upper" programs.
Who knows?
Posted on 4/23/11 at 5:32 pm to GeorgeTheGreek
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Carl, I agree but I think people realize Saban was building a steam roller. I honestly don't believe that 06 team loses a game under the Saban staff. I also don't think we would have seen the downward trend the next two years. Who knows?
Of course you don't know, nobody does. We might have even lost 3 games in '06. Maybe four. Nobody knows.
That said, I don't think Saban was through doing what all he wanted to do with the program when he left but there is a segment of fans who have never been sold on Miles. And so what they say is that in order for Miles to win them over, Miles has to produce results that Saban never did-basically perfection. And they make the bar so high so that he can't win with them. Because they don't want him to win with them.
So when Miles doesn't produce results they know deep down he can't produce(and not many coaches can), they can reject him easier and say they were right about him and their whole attitude towards LSU football: that Saban is the greatest and his way is the only way. And they don't want anyone telling them otherwise. And they surely don't want Les Miles proving them wrong either.
Saban had an easier time winning over fans because he took the program over when it was on the skids. It was about as low as it was going to get for us, I don't give a shite how much talent was on the roster that Gerry recruited. In Gerry's last two years, we lost 15 games and we lost 8 in a row in 1999. And we couldn't stop anybody on defense and we were averaging just 20 points/game on offense that year. That's terrible. fricking terrible.
So, folks were pretty down on LSU football and were open to somebody coming in and winning them over by turning the program around, regardless if Saban got a cold reception because alot of folk didn't know much about him.
Miles really didn't have the same situation where folk were easy to win over. By then, we had won a national title and lots of fans were sold on Saban and his gospel of football, including me. Hell, I didn't really come around on Miles until sometime in the 2006 season. But at some point, unless they want to stay miserable, folk have to come to terms that Miles is the coach and Saban isn't coming back and his way isn't the only way. And if the only way for you to be happy with LSU football is with Saban as the coach, then you're going to be miserable for a long time. And asking Miles to produce unprecedented results is unfair. Miles can only be himself. He didn't make Saban leave for Miami. And you've held it against him that he won alot early with players he didn't recruit and that is bullshite because that's pretty much what he was hired to do.
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