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re: What Oregon has tried to hide in the Cliff Harris incident. DT confirmed

Posted on 8/16/11 at 11:20 pm to
Posted by DucksflyinPAC
Portland, Oregon
Member since Mar 2011
1872 posts
Posted on 8/16/11 at 11:20 pm to
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They have to do more than smell it to arrest you, but there is no jurisdiction in the country where smelling marijuana in a car pulled over doing 118 mph won't be sufficient probable cause to search the car. The officer knew who was in the car, decided against searching it, and that's my point. You can act like that is normal in Oregon but it isn't. It is only normal for star players on major football teams.

Your wrong. Your right that it is probable cause. But it is only so TO search. Not MUST search. And as you do not live in Oregon: Cops often do not search in these cases if they believe people are telling the truth. For them it is a waste of time. Oregon does not have many cops out, esp Oregon State Police. With all the budget cuts and such their really are hardly a few OSP officers on the roads. He was already happy he was getting a fat large 118 ticket(which carries a super big fine here) (anything over 100mhp does) and also suspended license ticket. And in theory we do not know if he did not search the car. The video stops. It does not even show the other guy who he was going to test with the license.

Anyways, beating a dead horse with this. That stop was not a rare occurrence in Oregon is what I am telling you. Except that fact or not, either way.
Posted by pdxlsufan
Beaverton, Oregon
Member since May 2008
3226 posts
Posted on 8/16/11 at 11:27 pm to
Jesus Christ people.

Watch the tape.

Or just read the transcript:

quote:

Stallsworth says Harris looks tired and his eyes “are blown” but the car was under control so he doesn’t feel a reckless charge is warranted. He notes that he smelled marijuana when he initially approached the car.

Stallsworth then asks Harris how much he has had to smoke but Harris says someone else in the car, a cousin, was using the marijuana. Stallsworth asks Harris to get out of the car for a sobriety test. Just before the test the trooper notices Harris’ Pac-10 championship ring.

Harris passes the field sobriety test.
Posted by jacks40
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2007
11877 posts
Posted on 8/16/11 at 11:27 pm to
quote:

. Except that fact or not, either way.



Don't worry im not. You are a very naive person to believe that the Ducks in that car didn't get preferential treameent
Posted by pdxlsufan
Beaverton, Oregon
Member since May 2008
3226 posts
Posted on 8/16/11 at 11:31 pm to
quote:

He was already happy he was getting a fat large 118 ticket(which carries a super big fine here) (anything over 100mhp does) and also suspended license ticket


Exactly. A $1600 fine is hardly getting off easy.

And he passed the sobriety test and shortly after administering the test the officer tells another officer several times that Harris "is not impaired".

When I was 18, LSU police pulled me over after I got fed up and ran a red light that didn't turn green for 3 minutes. I had just finished drinking two large beers and a shot or two. They gave me a sobriety test on the bike path next to Nicholson and I passed. I lucked out. They even let me drive home. Did LSU campus police give me preferential treatment?

Also, I've been in a car in Baton Rouge where the driver got cited for DUI and they let one of the other passengers (not my drunk arse) drive the vehicle after passing the sobriety test. So that's standard procedure.

So what you're really pissed about is that the Oregon State Police didn't tear apart the car to find the blunt or whatever the hell they were smoking.

BTW, Harris told them they could search the car and was cooperative.
This post was edited on 8/16/11 at 11:35 pm
Posted by jacks40
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2007
11877 posts
Posted on 8/16/11 at 11:33 pm to
quote:

. Did LSU campus police give me preferential treatment?


Did you admit to smoking weed and they not bother to search the car?

Posted by Tigerfan7218
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2010
14251 posts
Posted on 8/16/11 at 11:36 pm to
I'm still more upset that he let him "walk" (with the ticket that is) on a suspended license. That's BS to me, not citing him for reckless is one thing, but the guy is on a suspended license. My little brother got his license suspended and the official notice said if he were stopped while his license would be suspended, he'd be arrested and his truck impounded. Granted this is Louisiana and I don't know what Oregon's suspended license laws are, but i'd hazard a guess to say they are similar in nature.
Posted by pdxlsufan
Beaverton, Oregon
Member since May 2008
3226 posts
Posted on 8/16/11 at 11:37 pm to
quote:

Did you admit to smoking weed and they not bother to search the car?


I admitted that I'd been drinking which he could immediately tell from my breath. Just as the officer could immediately smell weed in Harris's car.

An intoxicant is an intoxicant.

Anytime you are suspected of being intoxicated, the field sobriety test is the first step.

If you pass it, you'll probably go free whether you play football for the Ducks or you are some stupid 18 year old dipshit like I was.
Posted by DucksflyinPAC
Portland, Oregon
Member since Mar 2011
1872 posts
Posted on 8/16/11 at 11:39 pm to
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118 mph on a suspended license with the smell of weed in the car, yet he gets let got with nothing more than a ticket. I know you claim that 118 is no big deal up there, but the suspended license and weed is what ticks me off.

Actually you have it backwards. Cliffy must of been driving good because if he was weaving they would of given him a wreck-less driving ticket and may of been able to arrest him. The actual speed per say is not a issue. But most often over 100mph, they try to slap a wreck-less on if there is any hint of driving wreck-less.

The suspended license: They usually tow the car you are driving for that one, unless someone has a valid license with you that can legally drive. I have known cops who have let go friends without a license or insurance and just told to go straight home. But often these days they tow ya cause I think they could get sewed if you got in a wreck and they let you go. But allowed to let another licensed driver drive away is super common.

And as stated, Pot is very common. That of all the things is the one that they did not care much about. You have to understand, you know how many thousands of people smoke it legally over here? All people have to do is ask their doctor to sign a note saying it would help them with pain(whatever pain they can make up, physical, mental, whatever). And then they can get a medicinal M Card and smoke it all they want. I think they can even grow it too. Plus, couple that with a State that is famous for growing the best Pot and also being the state that is just North of N.California- the world epicenter of it and it makes sense. In Oregon it is viewed only as a small citation, not a major crime. If understood this fully, you would understand the police officers viewpoint clearer.

And its not just in Eugene or N. Cali. All out West it is like this. Don't believe me, then watch this video of a Pot Smoking rally at U of Colorado and see how many people are there in open public doing it. 420 fest at U of Colorado

I personally am not for it, but just explaining the West's relaxed tolerance for it is all.
Posted by bisonduck
Oregon City, OR
Member since Apr 2011
13374 posts
Posted on 8/16/11 at 11:40 pm to
There are a lot of opinions on here about something so fricking stupid. Harris is paying fines and will serve a suspension.DT was a passenger in the car.

What the frick more do you want?

It must be a fricking conspiracy and the patrol officer was a booster and probably gave Harris money handshake to boot. UNfrickING BELIEVABLE.
Posted by DucksflyinPAC
Portland, Oregon
Member since Mar 2011
1872 posts
Posted on 8/16/11 at 11:40 pm to
quote:

bullshite. your guys got the benefit of being star players. Plenty of guys in the past have recieved the same treatment, at Oregon and other universities. Doing 118, admitting to smoking pot, and smelling pot will get 9 out of 10 people searched no matter what state you are in. That 10th case is reserved for special treatment of special people

Whatever dude. You frankly do not have a remote clue. I am done explaining it to you.
Posted by pdxlsufan
Beaverton, Oregon
Member since May 2008
3226 posts
Posted on 8/16/11 at 11:40 pm to
quote:

Granted this is Louisiana and I don't know what Oregon's suspended license laws are, but i'd hazard a guess to say they are similar in nature.


I don't know the laws here either but I think it's a little more complicated when your license is suspended in one state (California) and then you get pulled over for the first time in Oregon.

When I moved here, my Louisiana registration was expired and I had to drive real careful but I was afraid to find out what kind of ticket I'd get for expired registration if I got pulled over in another state. I quickly got new plates here in Oregon to be legit.
Posted by pdxlsufan
Beaverton, Oregon
Member since May 2008
3226 posts
Posted on 8/16/11 at 11:41 pm to
Bison.. not sure why you directed that tirade at me.

Posted by jacks40
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2007
11877 posts
Posted on 8/16/11 at 11:44 pm to
quote:

An intoxicant is an intoxicant.



See a lot of age people getting arrested for possession of a budweiser do you?
Posted by DucksflyinPAC
Portland, Oregon
Member since Mar 2011
1872 posts
Posted on 8/16/11 at 11:47 pm to
quote:

My little brother got his license suspended and the official notice said if he were stopped while his license would be suspended, he'd be arrested and his truck impounded. Granted this is Louisiana and I don't know what Oregon's suspended license laws are, but i'd hazard a guess to say they are similar in nature.

Oregon does not arrest for driving while suspended. They simply issue a citation to appear in court and take away your vehicle(tow) unless there is a valid licensed driver with you that can drive it home. Even if you were to get pulled over 1 hour later, the same guy. The same thing would happen. They do not arrest you for it. You could have 10 driving while suspended's. They still do not arrest you. But if you got suspended for a felony or something, I think they do. But a Cliffy situation, never in a million years do they arrest you for that IN OREGON. Oh, and your going to hate this too: In oregon, if you do not appear to court and or do appear but do not pay off your citation, in 10 years it goes away. So literally a guy could not have to pay. I have had friends that have done that. There are a few cities however that will put out a warrant out for you if you do not appear though. I think it is because they just consider invalid license as a driving infraction and not a real crime over here. And I do agree with it!
Posted by DucksflyinPAC
Portland, Oregon
Member since Mar 2011
1872 posts
Posted on 8/16/11 at 11:48 pm to
quote:

There are a lot of opinions on here about something so fricking stupid. Harris is paying fines and will serve a suspension.DT was a passenger in the car. What the frick more do you want? It must be a fricking conspiracy and the patrol officer was a booster and probably gave Harris money handshake to boot. UNfrickING BELIEVABLE.

Posted by DucksflyinPAC
Portland, Oregon
Member since Mar 2011
1872 posts
Posted on 8/16/11 at 11:50 pm to
quote:

When I moved here, my Louisiana registration was expired and I had to drive real careful but I was afraid to find out what kind of ticket I'd get for expired registration if I got pulled over in another state.

You would of got a warning and let go if you were nice to the cop. Or, he would of gave you a small ticket and to appear in court that once you show the clerk at the window that you fixed the problem, it would of been dismissed.
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
61896 posts
Posted on 8/16/11 at 11:53 pm to
quote:

I too am a Conservative and a Republican btw


Personal responsibility is a conservative value.

Quit making excuses. Admit what is plainly obvious to anyone who is willing to look at the situation. Then admit that having your players available is more important to you than them walking a straight line. More people will respect you for that than the position you've taken here.

Posted by pdxlsufan
Beaverton, Oregon
Member since May 2008
3226 posts
Posted on 8/16/11 at 11:56 pm to
quote:

See a lot of age people getting arrested for possession of a budweiser do you?


I meant in terms of being charged with DUII.

In Oregon, DUII is a felony whereas possession of marijuana is not.

quote:

In Oregon, possession of less than an ounce of marijuana has been decriminalized, and is punishable by a fine of $500 to $1,000.


LINK


Posted by la_birdman
Northern GA via Lake Charles
Member since Feb 2005
31934 posts
Posted on 8/16/11 at 11:57 pm to
Why do you refer to him as "Cliffy?"

I'm not trying to be a jerk or anything but it seems very juvenille, unless you raised him or something.


You don't see us referring to our players as Mikey (Ford), Spency, Chasey..... What's the deal with that?

I'm really curious and I'm certain I'm not the only one.

Posted by boogerman77
Member since Jun 2009
249 posts
Posted on 8/16/11 at 11:57 pm to
All I've got to say is I finished college 3 years ago. From what I remember from my experiences if you think that Harris' cousin was the only one smoking the herb you are f'ing retarded.
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