re: What makes one a "Miles Hater"?

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Mack Brown lost 5 strait to OU, include 2 by 50, since then he has won 4 of 5 over OU, won a NC and is on the verge of playing for another. Things can and do cycle.

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The truth

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What makes one a "Miles Apologist"

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Labeling those who suggest Miles may not be the best coach as negatigers and haters vs. providing an argument to demonstrate that his player development, game management, and team's execution is really not that bad.

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If you are one of these myopic tards that think Florida and Alabama will never drop off, I'll quit right now.

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DIng, Ding, Ding. You just proved my point without meaning to. You just stated that for LSU to beat Florida and Bama, they would have to experience a decline (come down to our level). At one time Florida and Alabama fans were hoping LSU would experience a decline so that they could beat us.

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I am not a Miles fan for the following reasons:
- His teams perform the same stupid mistakes game after game with lack of discipline.
- His teams lack mental toughness and conditioning.
- Stubborness to put the best talent on the field.
- Playing to the level of competition, inability to put teams away when given the opportunity.
- Serious underutilization of talent.
- Overal he is a poor game day coach.
- He did not stand up to the SEC after his team and fans got hosed by poor officiating.

I do think he is a good recruiter and nice person. He is an average coach. I do not think average will cut it at LSU.

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Wow.

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....so are you saying that LSU will never get back on the top step again? Jefferson will not improve enough to win more games? Tebow will stay at Florida for 6 more years? Brantley will step in at Florida without skipping a beat? They're defense won't lose 7-8 players ever again? Alabama has SEC QB's? They won't lose players on the defensive side of the ball?

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i think thats exactly what he's saying. the SEC is like teh NFL but w/o contracts e.g. UF recruited Tebow, they like Tebow so they're going to keep Tebow as there starter for 10 years or unless they feel like recruiting and starting a new QB (who would be of course better than Tebow).

It's like this at every position on every team.

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player development,

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Jefferson and the OL has improved as the year has gone on. That's just their talent doing that, I suppose?

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and team's execution is really not that bad.

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Execution in what? Option? What else?

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Does the belief that LSU would enjoy more success against Alabama and Florida under another coach make one a "hater"?

Does the belief that there are coaches that perform better than Miles in the area of player development, game management, and game strategy, make one a "hater"?

These opinions are not mean spirited and are at their core motivated by a strong desire to see LSU achieve at the highest level in athletics.

Going forward, Miles apologists should come up with a more representative (of the motivation) characterization than Negatiger or hater.

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Sonnyboy, based on the W/L column and the bowl records for the end of the year, any person who has a brain should be happy.
To believe tha LSU or ANY school is going to win the NC or the SEC EVERY year is, in a word, stupid. This happens only in video games with cheat codes. None of you are ever happy with doing well in football. If LSU is not NC then to you and your ilk, the season is a failure. You just don't get it, none of you.
You scream about UF and Meyer. Sonnyboy if Tebow were not there UF would not be in the discussion for NC either. Meyer has the luxury of the greatest college football player in the last 30 or 40 years playing for him. Do not tell me or anyone that doesn't make a difference.
LSU has a great coach who teaches these kids to be real men and they play their best for him.
And yes, sonnyboy, I know you and the others love nick the midget and his screaming and throwing things around. Well look at his record sonnyboy, he gets no better results than Les Miles does. You all only think he does. I guess you don't get it that LSU was winning that game last weekend until we lost our qb, rb, best db, not to mention losing our starting te before the game and having our best lb in and out of the game because of an ankle sprain. None of that counts for you jackasses. To you it's ALL the fault of Miles.
Well, you can go blindly screaming about Miles all you want. Really. Scream to the heavans and go out to the Athletic Admin building with signs and scream at Joe Alleva about it.
Know what will happen? Nothing. You and everyone on these boards and off who are squalling like babies about coaching can have your opinions. The fact is, all of your opinions mean less than jack shite to anyone who matters at LSU. Fact of life sonnyboy.

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Sonnyboy, based on the W/L column and the bowl records for the end of the year, any person who has a brain should be happy.
To believe tha LSU or ANY school is going to win the NC or the SEC EVERY year is, in a word, stupid. This happens only in video games with cheat codes. None of you are ever happy with doing well in football. If LSU is not NC then to you and your ilk, the season is a failure. You just don't get it, none of you.
You scream about UF and Meyer. Sonnyboy if Tebow were not there UF would not be in the discussion for NC either. Meyer has the luxury of the greatest college football player in the last 30 or 40 years playing for him. Do not tell me or anyone that doesn't make a difference.
LSU has a great coach who teaches these kids to be real men and they play their best for him.
And yes, sonnyboy, I know you and the others love nick the midget and his screaming and throwing things around. Well look at his record sonnyboy, he gets no better results than Les Miles does. You all only think he does. I guess you don't get it that LSU was winning that game last weekend until we lost our qb, rb, best db, not to mention losing our starting te before the game and having our best lb in and out of the game because of an ankle sprain. None of that counts for you jackasses. To you it's ALL the fault of Miles.
Well, you can go blindly screaming about Miles all you want. Really. Scream to the heavans and go out to the Athletic Admin building with signs and scream at Joe Alleva about it.
Know what will happen? Nothing. You and everyone on these boards and off who are squalling like babies about coaching can have your opinions. The fact is, all of your opinions mean less than jack shite to anyone who matters at LSU. Fact of life sonnyboy.

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This.

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I remember clear as day when saban was here. We had several "big games" where our team would totally break down. Turnovers, bobling balls, Kneeling on the one yard line, stupid mistakes. Several trips to florida, auburn, and georgia come to mind.

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that is the problem. the people that hate miles don't seem to remember this stuff. they think miles is the only coach that has these problems. this stuff happens all over the place.

mack brown went years without beating oklahoma, and now we have fans saying he would be better for us. saban always lost to a team we had no business losing to. yet he would be better. meyer got plenty of lucky breaks in 06 to get his national championship. but no, only Les gets lucky.

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DIng, Ding, Ding. You just proved my point without meaning to. You just stated that for LSU to beat Florida and Bama, they would have to experience a decline (come down to our level). At one time Florida and Alabama fans were hoping LSU would experience a decline so that they could beat us.

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Well then I'm afraid I don't understand your point unless it is to demonstrate your expectations are unrealistic and unattainable.

Glad to know you know me so well as to understand the true meaning to my statements, or perhaps you just seize on something to that you want to believe and can jump up and ah ha!

Florida is on an historic and extremely rare run. If they finish this season unbeaten and win the NC, that's 3 in 4 years in which they will have lost a grand total of 2 games. Oh I know Ole Miss beat them and Auburn beat them so that shows Les Miles is an idiot for not beating them. If UF beats Bama again this year, what does that say about Saban? That he can't beat Florida unless Florida drops off?

And oh btw, its not just that UF and Bama will "drop off", we will get better. Another problem you myopic morons have is you see everything in extremes. Its either great or it sucks, well the world doesn't work that way. You also are mixing up overall trends and programs with INDIVIDUAL seasons. OVERALL LSU has a similar program and talent to UF and Bama, but in 2009 those teams are better, just a little, but still better. Lets see waht happens if we lose to OM and Ark, and finish 8-4, that would be unacceptable. If we win out (and we will be favored in every game, including the bowl) we will be 10-2 and ranked in the top 10, maybe top 5. That's a pretty good season, with a young QB and questions on the DL and OL. Next year I see us in that same area, 2011 looks to be the year we have the best chance to compete for the SEC and NC.