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re: What makes one a "Miles Hater"?
Posted on 11/10/09 at 10:45 pm to PiscesTiger
Posted on 11/10/09 at 10:45 pm to PiscesTiger
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And I hate bringing Saban into an argument like this one because this has nothing to do with him
Once again, if you want Miles gone. Who do you want? Saban keeps getting brought up because how many people here are still in love with him. I am grateful for what Saban did here, just as I am for what Miles is doing.
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Posted on 11/10/09 at 10:45 pm to Genghis Khan
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No losing records in the SEC
He's had 1 in 5 years, but that has nothing to do with Fla and Bama per se.
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Splitting the annual match-up with Florida and Alabama
not only is that not feasible, that would not really be good. I'd rather sweep those 2 one year and get swept the next, than split ever year.
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Do you feel comfortable that LSU will be the team to beat the next time they face UF and UA?
If you are one of these myopic tards that think Florida and Alabama will never drop off, I'll quit right now.
Florida loses a lot next year, but we play them at Florida. I'll have to see what they have and what we have. Alabama looks to be pretty strong the next 2 years at least. That said, we don't who they will lose to the NFL, what injuries they will have etc.
We alos lose a good bit next year and I've been thinking for a wile 2011 is our next run.
I do not expect we will be getting swept by Fla and Bama for the next 5-10 years. These things go in cycles. Over the next 3 years I think we will win 2-3 of the 6 against UF and UA.
Just to put things in perspective for you, do you Spurrier was a good coach? Know what his record at Florida was against Florida State?
Posted on 11/10/09 at 10:47 pm to dreaux
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Have you seen the saints last couple of games.
Yes. Have you seen The Colorado Avalanche's last few games? What are we talking about here?
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once you have it, everybody wants it. and it gets harder to keep it.
Yes and we're no loner that team. I agree with that, though.
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lets see how well bama does agaist state this weekend. Can't wait.
Let's see, but if I were to bet my life on that game, give me Bama.
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Oh, the same miss state team you are talking about almost beat florida.
And UF wasn't prepared for that game...but this is LSU we're talking about.
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oklahoma has lost 3 in the big 12 because of qb issues.
We didn't lose our starter this season. I give Miles a pass for '08 because of RP and more credit for ousting Malveto.
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cut miles some slack. JJ will be much better next year and will be more then capable of driving the ball down miss stat's throat. He has just enough inexpierience to keep teams in it.
It's not just JJ. MSU's runt of a qb kept them in the game when we should have been on him every single play. JJ was improved since then, but we made some major mental mistakes in that game. Head coach must take some responsibility for that. This is why we pay him 3.8 mil bucks a year.
Posted on 11/10/09 at 10:51 pm to SS4LSU
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Once again, if you want Miles gone. Who do you want?
I don't necessarily want him gone. We gave Hallman 4 years. Miles should be able to have twice that, but we're in a different era. I do think there are better coaches out there than him. If you think Miles is one of the ten best coaches in America, I don't know what you're basing that on (not saying you said that...but generally, Miles lovers think he is).
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Saban keeps getting brought up because how many people here are still in love with him
No, I think people love to bash Saban for the insecurities they feel about Miles. It's just like in life when your best friend steals your girl and then you get a new gf who isn't as good-looking. You start to bring up any bad point you can about the ex. Some people generally didn't like Saban ever, but if he was still at LSU and winning c'ships, he'd be revered. No, he's not here and is a sell out fricker, but he's a better coach than Miles. Just is. More experience...more knowledge.
Posted on 11/10/09 at 10:56 pm to PiscesTiger
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Not having to wait until the laast seconds to beat teams like Moo State and Troy
Louisiana State Yearly Results
2004: 9-3-0
Coach:
Nick L. Saban10-23-2004
LSU 24 Troy (AL) 20
LINK
I'm pretty sure 2004 was not Saban's first year at LSU
Over time every coach will have a game he loses or that is close to an inferior team, that happens, if you are expecting it won't, you are delusional.
Posted on 11/10/09 at 10:58 pm to H-Town Tiger
He wasn't down 31-3 to Troy in '04. I was at that game in '04...it was bad, but it was competitive throughout. Yes, Saban (here we go) had bad games. Nonetheless, he still went 9-2 in the regular season and was inches from being 10-1.
Posted on 11/10/09 at 11:03 pm to PiscesTiger
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Not having to wait until the laast seconds to beat teams like Moo State and Troy. There is no excuse for that. NONE! We are/were more talented at EVERYsingle position on the field than those teams.
Why do you think that UAB Loss comes up PiscesTiger? Heck, there was that game & the
other 15 losses Saban accumulated.
Posted on 11/10/09 at 11:07 pm to Sammich
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Why do you think that UAB Loss comes up PiscesTiger?
Because it's counterpoint (and a weak one) to the inferiority many of our fans still feel about Saban being at Bama and not with us.
One points out a weak win by Miles and this is brought up as the counter argument...always.
Why don't we bring up the '86 Miami (OH) game as much? The '99 Houston game?
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that game & the
other 15 losses Saban accumulated.
TO be fair, the 2000 team wasn't gelled until we beat UT and then we still got bombarded by FLA. Saban pulled a team together - one year removed from being one of the worst in school history - and finished with a very respectable 5-3 SEC record. I bash Saban on many other things before I would the 2000 season.
This post was edited on 11/10/09 at 11:09 pm
Posted on 11/10/09 at 11:11 pm to PiscesTiger
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He wasn't down 31-3 to Troy in '04.
So you are saying that a good coach should never, at any point be losing badly to a inferior team? That's the most impossible standard I've ever heard, that's saying a lot on this site. So we were down 31-3, we won 40-31 a week after a gut wrenching, emotional loss. LSU was not that good last year, that happens. We lost 2 games were the margin was ints for TD's. The defense was terrible, he fired the coaches and brought in a much better one.
Time will tell if 2008 was the norm or an anomaly. Until proven otherwise, it looks like an anomaly.
Posted on 11/10/09 at 11:13 pm to Genghis Khan
seems to me you answered your own question.
Posted on 11/10/09 at 11:17 pm to PiscesTiger
Then why bring up the Troy game? I don't think anyone would argue that Miles is a better coach than Saban. The problem is very few realize that being a better coach is not an absolute. By that I mean it doesn't mean the other coach can't beat the other.
Mack Brown lost 5 strait to OU, include 2 by 50, since then he has won 4 of 5 over OU, won a NC and is on the verge of playing for another. Things can and do cycle.
Mack Brown lost 5 strait to OU, include 2 by 50, since then he has won 4 of 5 over OU, won a NC and is on the verge of playing for another. Things can and do cycle.
Posted on 11/10/09 at 11:24 pm to H-Town Tiger
Miles isn't a bad coach but he just seems to need a huge advantage in talent to win. I haven't had any confidence in LSU since right after the 2007 Florida game, and we all know what happened the weekend after that. I say if we have a similar season next year, I'll be really surprised if there are half as many Miles apologists on the boards.
Posted on 11/10/09 at 11:25 pm to PiscesTiger
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Because it's counterpoint (and a weak one) to the inferiority many of our fans still feel about Saban being at Bama and not with us.
One points out a weak win by Miles and this is brought up as the counter argument...always.
Why don't we bring up the '86 Miami (OH) game as much? The '99 Houston game?
Interesting. So it has nothing to do with UAB being THE Worst Loss of the Decade?
"Miami of Ohhh.." still comes up 24 seasons later, only now it has been joined & probably supassed by the UAB debacle.
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TO be fair, the 2000 team wasn't gelled until we beat UT and then we still got bombarded by FLA
Not gelled? Seemed pretty gelled destroying 1999 SEC West Champs Arkansas 35-10..
Posted on 11/10/09 at 11:27 pm to H-Town Tiger
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Things can and do cycle.
IMPOSSIBLE!!!!
Posted on 11/10/09 at 11:27 pm to irish thug 527
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he just seems to need a huge advantage in talent to win.
Profound. A coach needs a talent advantage on the field to beat good teams.
Did you get that out of a fortune cookie.
Next year will be Meyer's test. After next year I'm sure he'll be second tier based on LSU fans' standards.
Posted on 11/10/09 at 11:35 pm to kptiger
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I agree with mbt, He's just not what LSU needs. To win the NC year in and year out the team needs to be meaner and nastier. Thats not Miles nature.
Nobody is that damned good!
Posted on 11/10/09 at 11:40 pm to TigersRuleTheEarth
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Profound. A coach needs a talent advantage on the field to beat good teams.
Did you get that out of a fortune cookie.
Next year will be Meyer's test. After next year I'm sure he'll be second tier based on LSU fans' standards.
For the less intelligent (that would be you), my implication was that if he is competing against a team of similar talent level, he is at a disadvantage. If you think a coach "needs" a "huge advantage in talent" to win consistently you're an idiot. Competing against the Florida's and the Bama's of the world, you can't be counting on an advantage of talent.
Now back to your computer games.
Posted on 11/10/09 at 11:49 pm to irish thug 527
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irish thug 527
Your name suits your demeanor.
Are you suggesting that when we beat Florida in 07 that we clearly had a huge talent advantage over Florida? How about Auburn? Alabama?
Your point has been dissected and I've given examples where it doesn't apply so I would suggest trying a different approach towards detracting from Miles' accomplishments.
This post was edited on 11/10/09 at 11:53 pm
Posted on 11/10/09 at 11:55 pm to Genghis Khan
A Miles Hater is one who did not like the hire to start with, so they sit around hoping we lose so that it will confirm their predictions of the decline of the program and insist that every game we lose or every recruit that does not sign with us is the "beginning of the end." Most of them wish we still had Saban, and they really believe that he will be the coach here when Miles leaves.They will do anything to further the process of Miles moving on. They complain about things that Miles does, like barely beating Troy, and forget that Saban barely beat Troy in year five of his tenure. Or maybe they wait for a punt to be blocked in "punt ugly", even though it was Saban who was the coach when we had punts blocked in big games that cost us victories. The hater gives Miles no credit for the games and championships he wins. If Saban does not come, then they know that Spurriur will take our talent and never lose another game.
This post was edited on 11/11/09 at 12:17 am
Posted on 11/11/09 at 12:09 am to TigersRuleTheEarth
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Your name suits your demeanor.
Are you suggesting that when we beat Florida in 07 that we clearly had a huge talent advantage over Florida? How about Auburn? Alabama?
Your point has been dissected and I've given examples where it doesn't apply so I would suggest trying a different approach towards detracting from Miles' accomplishments.
I was more or less giving my general feeling with Miles. You're right, I wouldn't say we had a decisive advantage in talent over Florida, but it took everything we had + a little more + being in Tiger Stadium + 5/5 4th downs to win that one. As for the other teams you mentioned, yes I would say we had the advantage in talent. We were loaded in 2007, and you know it. Loaded. Quit talking about that year. Talk about this one. Are you really comfortable with Miles at the helm? His signature win this year was against Auburn. Yay. We are so elite.
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