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re: What JRs will leave early for the NFL?
Posted on 11/1/08 at 2:45 pm to outsideroach
Posted on 11/1/08 at 2:45 pm to outsideroach
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I dont think Scott has the speed to go that early
then he won't next year either
if he's 230+, 4.55-4.60 is fine
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Lafell only based on a weak crop
and his physical tools, and his production, etc
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Posted on 11/1/08 at 2:51 pm to SlowFlowPro
Scott will take a beating in the NFL with his hard nose style and I think it would benefit him to show he can take it 2 years in a row in college rather then just one full season as the starter.
Lafell has had plenty well documented problems catching the ball. I think a weak WR crop obviously helps him, but I say he stays. He could still fill out some more. I think he has plenty room to get bigger, stronger, obviously focus on dropped passes at crucial situations.
Lafell has had plenty well documented problems catching the ball. I think a weak WR crop obviously helps him, but I say he stays. He could still fill out some more. I think he has plenty room to get bigger, stronger, obviously focus on dropped passes at crucial situations.
This post was edited on 11/1/08 at 2:52 pm
Posted on 11/1/08 at 3:08 pm to outsideroach
Scott is the only one who has showed up on a weekly basis, but i do not think he leaves--The others will stay b/c they have been inconsistent or have played like crap all year.
Posted on 11/1/08 at 3:09 pm to Luke4LSU
I'd be surprised if any of them left
Posted on 11/1/08 at 3:48 pm to Perrenial Powerhouse
It only makes sense for juniors to leave if they are going to be first round picks (or perhaps very early round second picks). Otherwise, they should stay in school, improve their skills by playing another season, attempt to raise their draft stock, and complete their education.
That was the exact guideline that Saban urged on his underclassmen when he was here. Moreover, it is the advice that any credible agent would dispense (note that the term "credible agent" by its very definition excludes internet posters who are self-proclaimed NFL "advisers.")
That was the exact guideline that Saban urged on his underclassmen when he was here. Moreover, it is the advice that any credible agent would dispense (note that the term "credible agent" by its very definition excludes internet posters who are self-proclaimed NFL "advisers.")
This post was edited on 11/1/08 at 3:55 pm
Posted on 11/1/08 at 3:53 pm to hogeb
I doubt any of them will go.
Posted on 11/1/08 at 3:55 pm to Tiger_n_ATL
CS is gone.
Posted on 11/1/08 at 3:56 pm to Luke4LSU
Charles Scott? - Maybe. Another year isn't going to make him faster
RJF? - Hates school so I'd think probably
Ciron Black? - Maybe. Big LT class this year. Next year might be more favorable.
Lafell? - Probable. He'll measure up well at the combine and he's been really productive this year.
RJF? - Hates school so I'd think probably
Ciron Black? - Maybe. Big LT class this year. Next year might be more favorable.
Lafell? - Probable. He'll measure up well at the combine and he's been really productive this year.
Posted on 11/1/08 at 3:59 pm to The312
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That was the exact guideline that Saban urged on his underclassmen when he was here
I'm sure he was being totally unbiased too.
Posted on 11/1/08 at 4:03 pm to BackWoodsTiger
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Some we thought would stay might leave with owners trying to cut that rookie salary in 2010.
This, wholeheartedly.
Posted on 11/1/08 at 4:08 pm to LSUtigahs28
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I'm sure he was being totally unbiased too.
Saban wasn't perfect, but I honestly believe that he had the best interest of his players at heart. Saban has significan NFL experience and, thus, meaningful insight into the way the League functions. Moreover, the advice was accurate. Look at Marquis Hillm(RIP), who foolishly violated Saban's draft guideline. He was punished fiscally in the draft. He would have benefitted from another season of tutelage. As I said, it's the same guideline that any credible agent would give to an underclassmen at a premiere program.
In any event, Saban's advice was CERTAINLY more sound than a bunch of internet posters claiming that various guys are "gone" without even knowing how the scouts evaluate them or where they are projected.
Posted on 11/1/08 at 4:11 pm to The312
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Look at Marquis Hillm(RIP), who foolishly violated Saban's draft guideline. He was punished fiscally in the draft. He would have benefitted from another season of tutelage.
or he would have blown an ACL.
For every Marquise Hill there's a Brady Quinn.
While Saban's advice is applicable a good bit of the time there are certainly exceptions. As I said with CScott his issues aren't going to be improved with 2 or even 3 more years in school.
This post was edited on 11/1/08 at 4:13 pm
Posted on 11/1/08 at 4:17 pm to LSUtigahs28
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For every Marquise Hill there's a Brady Quinn.
Where was Brady Quinn projected as a junior?
Oh, yeah, as a FIRST ROUNDER.
Which means that, pursuant to the guideline I posted, it would have been completely understandable if he declared as a junior. Thanks for proving my point.
Quinn leaving as a junior makes sense, whereas Charles Scott leaving if he is a projected third round pick does not.
Posted on 11/1/08 at 4:20 pm to hogeb
Charles isn't going anywhere... he is from a good family that respects education, i doubt he goes anywhere
Posted on 11/1/08 at 4:20 pm to hogeb
RJF
major disappointment
major disappointment
Posted on 11/1/08 at 4:21 pm to The312
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Which means that, pursuant to the guideline I posted, it would have been completely understandable if he declared as a junior. Thanks for proving my point.
You realize he was regarded better than year and would have made noticeably more money a year earlier?
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Quinn leaving as a junior makes sense, whereas Charles Scott leaving if he is a projected third round pick does not.
If CScott is projected as a third rounder this year and can become a first or second rounder. However if the NFL thinks he is too slow then he will be a third rounder next year anyway.
Why take the risk of injury when you don't have room to improve your stock.
Posted on 11/1/08 at 4:23 pm to LSUtigahs28
Only way LaFell goes in first 3 rounds of the draft is if he gets lasik. Hell it worked for Bowe his senior year maybe it can work for Lafell. He has to show more consistency if he is having problems dropping balls, wait till he gets in NFL and have bigger/faster players ready to lay him out.
Posted on 11/1/08 at 4:27 pm to tduecen
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Only way LaFell goes in first 3 rounds of the draft is if he gets lasik. Hell it worked for Bowe his senior year maybe it can work for Lafell. He has to show more consistency if he is having problems dropping balls, wait till he gets in NFL and have bigger/faster players ready to lay him out.
Bowe still drops ball and was a top 20 pick.
Bowe had 76.2 ypg his senior year at a 15.23 ypc with 12 TDs. With a #1 overall pick throwing him the ball
Lafell with a RS freshman throwing him the ball has
74.9 ypg with an average of 14.56 ypc and 5 TD so far.
Their production is almost the same.
Posted on 11/1/08 at 4:30 pm to LSUtigahs28
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You realize he was regarded better than year and would have made noticeably more money a year earlier?
What? Huh?
Here is my point. I posted this as a guideline: "It only makes sense fo juniors to leave if they are projected first round picks." That was my guideline.
Now, let's apply that guideline to Quinn as a junior. He was projected as a first round pick, correct? Right. So pursuant to the rational guideline I posted, it would have made SENSE for him to leave as a junior. You seem to agree, stating that Quinn would have made more money if he would have left as a junior. So the example of Quinn actually supports the guideline I posted, i.e. you should leave as a junior if you are a projected first rounder and stay otherwise.
In any event, I focking hate ND and I don't want to discuss Quinn any more or get into a pissing match with another LSU fan over that priss.
I do see your point on CS, but I think it would be very unwise of him to forsake his education and the opportunity to play (and start) his senior year in college. JMO.
Posted on 11/1/08 at 4:31 pm to The312
There are some guys that come back and hurt their stock. Can we agree on that? Whether its injury or lack of production it happens.
Dunno I haven't graduated yet, but if someone offered me 1.3 mil+ to play the game I love for 4 years I'd do it in a heartbeat.
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I do see your point on CS, but I think it would be very unwise of him to forsake his education and the opportunity to play (and start) his senior year in college. JMO.
Dunno I haven't graduated yet, but if someone offered me 1.3 mil+ to play the game I love for 4 years I'd do it in a heartbeat.
This post was edited on 11/1/08 at 4:33 pm
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