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re: What is your optimal JL/JJ split?

Posted on 10/12/10 at 12:53 pm to
Posted by TigersOfGeauxld
Just across the water...
Member since Aug 2009
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Posted on 10/12/10 at 12:53 pm to
I'm basing my opinion on how JL looks right now, compared to the "deer in the headlights" look we're all too familiar with from the last two years.

The evidence is in the results. The two QB system is benefiting both QB's. The rationale of questioning the staff's competence has reached it's sell-by date.

What we have going now is working. No reason to change.

Posted by Bonjourno
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2010
2763 posts
Posted on 10/12/10 at 12:53 pm to
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100/0. I don't see what JJ brings to the table.

HB read
Posted by Tigercoop40
Northwest Arkansas
Member since Apr 2006
7626 posts
Posted on 10/12/10 at 12:54 pm to
I think what the coaches have been doing so far is fine. Maybe a little less JJ though. Seems to struggle on 2nd possession. Second straight week of a Int on it isn't it?
Posted by CptBengal
BR Baby
Member since Dec 2007
71661 posts
Posted on 10/12/10 at 12:55 pm to
quote:

I'm basing my opinion on how JL looks right now, compared to the "deer in the headlights" look we're all too familiar with from the last two years.



you're right. He looks totally different THIS YEAR. Like a guy that can take us to great places THIS YEAR.

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The evidence is in the results. The two QB system is benefiting both QB's. The rationale of questioning the staff's competence has reached it's sell-by date.


You are partially right. The evidence does show that both qb's benefit. JJ got in the endzone TWICE against UF because JL drove the team the length of the field. JL started and ran 5 drives. 4 of which end in touchdowns.

So tell me again how JJ is awesome?
Posted by Antonio Moss
The South
Member since Mar 2006
49036 posts
Posted on 10/12/10 at 12:57 pm to
A little less Jefferson.

75-80% in favor of Lee.

Jefferson needs to play enough to make our opponents have to spend to time to work on defending it. And, he should start, because so far Lee has played very well after watching the first series.
Posted by LSU-MNCBABY
Knightsgate
Member since Jan 2004
25122 posts
Posted on 10/12/10 at 12:59 pm to
no one can say anything bad about JJ in these threads or the admins will get you!

100% JJ snaps!!!!! WHO CARES IF WE LOSE!!! WE DONT WANT TO HURT HIS FEELINGS!!!


Posted by josh336
baton rouge
Member since Jan 2007
81765 posts
Posted on 10/12/10 at 1:02 pm to
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The evidence is in the results. The two QB system is benefiting both QB's.

Brave considering JJ almost cost us the last 2 games
Posted by Baloo
Formerly MDGeaux
Member since Sep 2003
49645 posts
Posted on 10/12/10 at 1:05 pm to
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75-80% in favor of Lee.

Jefferson needs to play enough to make our opponents have to spend to time to work on defending it. And, he should start, because so far Lee has played very well after watching the first series.
Agreed. Lee seems to benefit from sitting every so often just to slow the game down for him and let him not let his emotions get to him. I also like forcing defenses to prepare for two totally different offenses. But also Lee is the superior player right now and should be taking a large majority of snaps.
Posted by josh336
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Posted on 10/12/10 at 1:07 pm to
How do you know Lee can't be as effective starting? He hasn't had that opportunity.
Posted by EricB
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2008
1680 posts
Posted on 10/12/10 at 1:08 pm to
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What we have going now is working. No reason to change.


So, if I win a game with my walk ons... barely, and with a lot of luck then I should say hell with putting the starters in for any game this season?

Or are you assuming that I should continue to play my walk ons, until they make mistakes that might lead to another team in the SEC have a two score lead on me. Then I put the starters in? Then by miracle the starters come back and win the game, then i should give credit to the combination of walk ons and starters, not just the starters that came back and won the game for me?

No metaphors here at all I swear.
Posted by Baloo
Formerly MDGeaux
Member since Sep 2003
49645 posts
Posted on 10/12/10 at 1:11 pm to
I have no problem with him getting the start. But we do have two years worth of data before this season on Lee, and he has been a player who has ridden the motional roller coaster. He has played his best football when rotating in, first for Hatch now for Jefferson. Maybe he can take 100% of the snaps, but he does seem to benefit just taking the occassional breather.

Besides, there is a benefit to running essentially two offenses, making defenses prepare for that. So I don't know if giving Lee 100% of the snaps is worth the risk of sacrificing the known benefits. Jefferson played his best game as well last week. I still think Lee should have the majority of the snaps, by a large margin, but I do see a benefit to the zone read offense under Jefferson.
Posted by josh336
baton rouge
Member since Jan 2007
81765 posts
Posted on 10/12/10 at 1:13 pm to
I'm not arguing that Jefferson should get situational snaps, but I also don't see why Lee shouldn't get an opportunity to start and take most of the snaps. Including leading every drive.
Posted by Antonio Moss
The South
Member since Mar 2006
49036 posts
Posted on 10/12/10 at 1:16 pm to
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How do you know Lee can't be as effective starting? He hasn't had that opportunity.


You really don't.

What we do know is that he has been incredibly effective coming off the bench and that Jefferson's play has improved with Lee playing more snaps.

Why change something that's working?
Posted by Baloo
Formerly MDGeaux
Member since Sep 2003
49645 posts
Posted on 10/12/10 at 1:16 pm to
Of course not, but you also believe that Jefferson is a terrible player who adds no value. So obviously you wouldn't advocate Jefferson getting a series. I don't share that view, so I'm fine with Jefferson getting one or two series a half plus some situational plays.

but I DO think Lee should start and take most of the snaps and said so in this thread. I just don't think he should get ALL of the snaps.
Posted by josh336
baton rouge
Member since Jan 2007
81765 posts
Posted on 10/12/10 at 1:17 pm to
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Jefferson's play has improved with Lee playing more snaps.

You are basing his improvement on 1 game, where he pretty much threw a pick 6
Posted by TigerFan55555
Tomball, TX
Member since Nov 2008
9833 posts
Posted on 10/12/10 at 1:17 pm to
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JJ should come in if Lee gets a broken leg or something






Even that's pushing it




I know...JJ is stealing Shep and Ware's Snaps...

It should be Lee 80% Shep/Ware 20% running the zone read and wildtiger. Thread/
Posted by josh336
baton rouge
Member since Jan 2007
81765 posts
Posted on 10/12/10 at 1:18 pm to
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Of course not, but you also believe that Jefferson is a terrible player who adds no value. So obviously you wouldn't advocate Jefferson getting a series

I never said this
Posted by TigerFan55555
Tomball, TX
Member since Nov 2008
9833 posts
Posted on 10/12/10 at 1:20 pm to
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Why change something that's working?


because we have something else that would work better...

Lee 80%/Shep 20% running Zone Read/Wildtiger
Posted by Antonio Moss
The South
Member since Mar 2006
49036 posts
Posted on 10/12/10 at 1:22 pm to
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You are basing his improvement on 1 game, where he pretty much threw a pick 6


Only if you look at half of his play.

His total play looks like this:

vs. Tennessee - 130 total yards 1 TD/2 Int

vs. Florida - 142 total yards 2 TD/1 Int

So in two games, playing 50% of the snaps, he had 272 total yards 3 TDs/3 Ints.

Obviously, you want that Int number to go drastically.
Posted by mmcgrath
Indianapolis
Member since Feb 2010
36934 posts
Posted on 10/12/10 at 1:23 pm to
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And, he should start, because so far Lee has played very well after watching the first series


And Jefferson appears to play very poorly after playing in his first series. Why don't we save that series for the 2nd or 3rd quarter and play Lee the rest of the time?

My split: 90 / 10
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