re: What is the intent of NIL?

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Let em go get a job like everyone else until they can play PROFESSIONAL SPORTS. They're getting a dang 100k paid scholarship to play for the University. That's their payment & benefits.

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While I wholeheartedly agree with the sentiment of your post. The reason the NCAA adopted the no outside work for athletes was this was a big area for funneling $$$$$ to athletes. Rhett Bomar OU QB had a $10K summer job at a car dealership in Norman where he worked 5 minutes a day. Clock in, turn off sprinklers, clock out, pass go collect $10k.

This was abused for many many years.

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profit sharing

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Profit sharing from their own name?

fricking moron

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They are not working.

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So you participate in workout, film study & practice sessions with them to determine this?

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So you participate in workout, film study & practice sessions with them to determine this?

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So you participate in workout, film study & practice sessions with them to determine this?

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Don't forget training sessions, weightlifting. voluntary work-outs and having to complete 24 hours of class work that advances toward a degree in a calendar yr. And/or the tutoring sessions required to pass said courses.

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there is no market for any player without the name brand of an elite school.

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You could make this argument about almost anybody who is famous. Whether it’s professional athletes, musicians, actors, hell even politicians. Almost all of them became famous on the back of some other individual or organization. It doesn’t matter.

You can’t say “they’re not employees, so they can’t unionize” while on the other hand implementing policies that restrict them outside of football as if they are employees under contract. In the words of Justice Kavanaugh: “Nowhere else in America can businesses get away with agreeing not to pay their workers a fair market rate on the theory that their product is defined by not paying their workers a fair market rate.”

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Graduate students get stipends, not the patents they develop.

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And if a graduate student becomes famous he doesn’t get kicked out of his PhD program for getting paid to sign autographs.

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Bryce Young getting 7 figures

Please explain how that deal works under the current rules

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tell me the specifics of the deal. I think as a heisman winner he would be extremely marketable so...

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"These damn kids are ruining everything!"

When actually it was grown adults who pushed for & eventually opened the door for this.

How sad is it that a grown man is this upset over college athletes being able to have income from advertising dollars?

He is so mad for selfish reasons. He feels the game HE loves is being ruined by kids. His blame is grossly misplaced yet he is so obsessed with the direction of his blame, he comes off as an idiot.

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Wow, great take. Glad to see there are still people here with sense

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You didn't see the melt on this board earlier today?

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I seriously can't look away. Watching people absolutely lose their minds over this is gold

TLDR: NIL allowing the opportunity for student athletes to earn money because their name, image, and likeness are marketable is fair, capitalistic, and long overdue. A student athlete should have every right to earn money as any other student in college who also has a scholarship, access to incredible workout facilities, a meal program, etc., whether it’s a TV commercial, being a waiter, or a start up tech company.

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(apologies, seriously, for such an incredibly long post. It’s just ridiculous that people continue to suggest student athletes shouldn’t be allowed to earn money like everyone else in the country with literally the only reason being that they’re a student athlete. Zero sense.)

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Zero connection eh?

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Of course there’s a connection. They’re fans of the program. That’s why they pay an LSU athlete to advertise rather than, e.g., Bryce Young. So what?

If a company wants to pay someone to advertise for them, why should their status of whether they play a sport for the local university have anything to do with it?

Agreed, Bryce Young shouldn’t be paid $1M to go to Bama. Pay for Play is still, technically, illegal, which is why enforceable rules need to be figured out. Unfortunately it’s not that easy for the reasons you mentioned, e.g., what’s to stop BR Investment Group from paying Walker Howard $1M (potentially way above what he’s “worth”) to put his face on a urinal cake just to come to LSU? Even worse, the university funneling money through BRIG to pay Walker Howard (besides being illegal). Historically it was basically impossible because athletes couldn’t get paid. Now they can so, like anything else involving payments, it opens the door to illicit activity. Real, enforceable rules, however challenging, need to be figured out. It’s a shite show.

But the concept of NIL is literally the opposite of a liberal (socialist) philosophy. It wasn’t meant that big corps share profits simply because they have billions and others don’t. It was meant that organizations make a shite ton of money off those players being good at football. Why wouldn’t the actual person who’s good at football also be able to get paid. You know what’s a liberal philosophy? Not allowing someone to be paid what the market says they’re worth simply because there exists other people who can’t do the same. And to suggest a person shouldn’t be allowed to earn what they are worth, for any reason, is anything but capitalistic.

For instance, an athlete on instagram with 1MM followers was not allowed to profit at all from advertisement on their social media, yet everyone else in the country can and does. Why should the rules be different simply because someone plays a sport for a university? The argument that the university underlies their marketability is true as is the athlete performing at a high level underlies the university’s success and marketability. Yet only one of these parties were getting paid for their part.

And the argument that they have a scholarship, ra ra coach motivating them to workout, and their basic living expenses paid for so they shouldn’t be able to earn more money is and always has been absolute crap. I had those things and was still free to earn as much money as I possibly could. A student athlete should have every right to earn money like any other student in college, many of whom have the same scholarship benefits, or any other person for that matter, whether it’s a commercial, being a waiter, or a start up tech company.

Nick Saban can get paid to be in a commercial. Why shouldn’t Kayshon Boutte be able to do the same? You imply a “connection” to the university of a company paying an athlete. Why is it okay for a company to pay Brian Kelley $50K to be in a commercial but preclude Damone Clark from doing the same?

I personally believe each player should get something (for reasons related to practical sustainability and general morale…but that’s a different discussion) but, better players can and will earn better money.

NIL allowing the opportunity for student athletes to earn money because their name, image, and likeness are marketable is fair, capitalistic, and long overdue. While also, I agree, there is an immediate need to put some guidance, restrictions, controls, and rules in place.

Also, when someone says "NIL is ruining everything", think about what that really means. Like this ApexTiger guy, let's use him for example.

According to his profile he lives in NC. So "ruining everything" means when he goes to crack his beer and sit his on the couch to watch LSU play from 100's miles away, he is upset that he may have to potentially watch a new and possibly diluted version of the game he used to know.

Inversely, these kids who often times come from impoverished backgrounds now have an opportunity to not only change their lives, but change their family's lives as well with NIL money.

So essentially this guy is saying it's more important to him that he gets the exact form of entertainment that he wants on Saturday while he's drinking beer on his couch, than it is for these kids to leverage their own names for financial gain.

So, ApexTiger's sacrifice is that he possibly has to watch a lesser version of football.

The 18 year old's sacrifice without NIL is foregoing possibly millions of dollars.

Un-fricking-real