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re: what is moffit doing
Posted on 2/23/09 at 9:44 pm to death valley driver
Posted on 2/23/09 at 9:44 pm to death valley driver
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what is moffit doing
seriously, is anybody watching the combine? all of these guys like tyson jackson, ali highsmith and shite run 4.6s and 4.7s coming out of high school and by the time they leave here they're slower than a jay roth special teams unit. not to mention how he failed the dorsasaurus last year.
quote:Worst. Poster. On td.com. Ever.
death valley driver
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Posted on 2/23/09 at 10:15 pm to SlowFlowPro
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i think the "best" is Texas's S/C coach, but that's my personal opinion
Posted on 2/23/09 at 10:17 pm to SlowFlowPro
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i think he's the best in the business (college football)
Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt.
Posted on 2/23/09 at 10:51 pm to Tiger in Austin
you have something against mad dog?
Posted on 2/23/09 at 11:51 pm to SlowFlowPro
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nope, but it determines your athleticism and preparedness for the NFL
Signed,
Vernon Gholston
Combine Stud, So far, draft bust. Much worse than Dorsey. Gholston wasn't even active towards the end of the season.
Posted on 2/23/09 at 11:58 pm to TexasTiger6777
gholston had a good year. he had college production
Posted on 2/24/09 at 12:00 am to SlowFlowPro
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gholston had a good year. he had college production
In the NFL last year? You are seriously way off base. Dude is a flop so far. Rex Ryan may be able to get something out of him in year 2, but year one was in no way shape or form good.
Posted on 2/24/09 at 12:04 am to TexasTiger6777
no in college, before the combine
gholston was top 10 before his workout
gholston was top 10 before his workout
Posted on 2/24/09 at 12:19 am to SlowFlowPro
I only read the first 6 pages of this thread. The basic premis is that Moffit may not get these players ready for the combine. (bench press, 40 times, etc.) Dorsey had a great college season, before the combine. He got hurt, but was still able to take home numerous awards for his position. Gholston brought home none. Gholston was top ten before his workout, same as Dorsey.
At the combine, according to you, Dorsey was not impressive. Still impressive enough to be the first DT taken and still in the top 5. Gholston, who by every account had a great showing at the combine still went in the top 10 as well.
Looking back at last year, Dorsey, who had the not so great combine, had a better season than Gholston who looked better at the combine.
The combine is not the end all be all. Look at the year Blair Thomas blew away the running backs at the combine and got drafted by the Jets at 2 that year. Complete bust. A guy who ran a little slower at the combine ended up having a little bit better of a career playing for the Cowboys. Emmitt something.
At the combine, according to you, Dorsey was not impressive. Still impressive enough to be the first DT taken and still in the top 5. Gholston, who by every account had a great showing at the combine still went in the top 10 as well.
Looking back at last year, Dorsey, who had the not so great combine, had a better season than Gholston who looked better at the combine.
The combine is not the end all be all. Look at the year Blair Thomas blew away the running backs at the combine and got drafted by the Jets at 2 that year. Complete bust. A guy who ran a little slower at the combine ended up having a little bit better of a career playing for the Cowboys. Emmitt something.
Posted on 2/24/09 at 12:20 am to TexasTiger6777
My question is who the hell did we have before Moffitt? I don't remember that many first round draft picks coming out of LSU the years before him. But there are quite a few since he arrived.
Just saying.
Just saying.
Posted on 2/24/09 at 1:07 am to SlowFlowPro
SFP, where are you getting these numbers from? I didn't bother to check all of the players on your list, but so far I haven't had ONE player's 40 time match up with what you have posted.
According to my link, AJ Hawk ran a 4.65 and 4.68, while Ernie Sims ran a 4.54. John Alston was the fastest at 4.47. Chad Greenway ran a 4.78 and 4.83 at the combine as well.
This all goes back to my point that fans have extremely overrated expectations of college players heading into the combine, mostly as a result of bullshite 40 times that have followed these guys since their days as high school juniors, which have then been regurgitated by clueless television announcers throughout their college careers.
I didn't bother to check all of the players on your list, but so far I haven't had ONE player's 40 time match up with what you have posted. According to my link, AJ Hawk ran a 4.65 and 4.68, while Ernie Sims ran a 4.54. John Alston was the fastest at 4.47. Chad Greenway ran a 4.78 and 4.83 at the combine as well.
This all goes back to my point that fans have extremely overrated expectations of college players heading into the combine, mostly as a result of bullshite 40 times that have followed these guys since their days as high school juniors, which have then been regurgitated by clueless television announcers throughout their college careers.
This post was edited on 2/24/09 at 1:09 am
Posted on 2/24/09 at 1:12 am to death valley driver
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what is moffit doing
HIS JOB
Posted on 2/24/09 at 9:48 am to Keys Open Doors
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SFP, where are you getting these numbers from?
sporting news war room has a lil spreadsheet of every guy's H,W, drill #s after the combine, pro days, etc
AJ Hawk
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Chad Greenway ran a 4.78 and 4.83 at the combine as well.
yeah he got better at his pro day
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This all goes back to my point that fans have extremely overrated expectations of college players heading into the combine, mostly as a result of bullshite 40 times that have followed these guys since their days as high school juniors
my expectations are more from following the draft religiously for 5-6 years
i don't believe any bullshite 40 time from any high school coach or event (it's amateur hour at those combines). i look at their tapes to see how fast they are (using the 10 year markers) and wait until NFL scouts time them
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which have then been regurgitated by clueless television announcers throughout their college careers.
this is more college coaches than high school coaches. VT in particular is the worst at bullshite 40s in the world. arkansas is a distant 2nd
Posted on 2/24/09 at 10:58 am to SlowFlowPro
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i look at their tapes to see how fast they are (using the 10 year markers)
can you say infatuation??? or at the very least, to much time on your hands. You actually look at tape on all these guys at the combine and time them youself off of the 10 yard markers??? WOW...
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wait until NFL scouts time them
I wait until they play before i start to grade them.. The combine is very overated.
Posted on 2/24/09 at 11:11 am to TiegerTim
no their high school highlight tapes
Posted on 2/24/09 at 11:15 am to SlowFlowPro
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no their high school highlight tapes
still.... im jus sayin...
Posted on 2/24/09 at 11:17 am to SlowFlowPro
The combine is definitely overrated. They are scripted, predictable drills, that have little to do with actual play. Athletes can practice these (and usually do so outside of the program's strength coach), and get falsely inflated numbers. Most scouts who are worth their pay recognize this and will rely on game film as well. If LSU atheletes have occasionally done poorly in the combine, they also have those who do really well. I think the problem LSU runs into is that the team does so well each year, that fans expect the players all be stellar at the combine. This is not an LSU problem, it's a fan problem.
FWIW, LSU is the only team to have a 1st round draft pick in each of the last 5 years.
FWIW, LSU is the only team to have a 1st round draft pick in each of the last 5 years.
Posted on 2/24/09 at 11:19 am to Cussian
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They are scripted, predictable drills, that have little to do with actual play
it's not about play
they have drills to go over that stuff
this is about athleticism
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If LSU atheletes have occasionally done poorly in the combine, they also have those who do really well.
laron is really the only guy to do well, and that was only b/c he ran a shockin 4.35.
we've had many more disappointments than positive shocks
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I think the problem LSU runs into is that the team does so well each year, that fans expect the players all be stellar at the combine.
it's not that. it's our guys v guys from the other top programs.
Posted on 2/24/09 at 11:23 am to SlowFlowPro
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I think the problem LSU runs into is that the team does so well each year, that fans expect the players all be stellar at the combine.
it's not that. it's our guys v guys from the other top programs.
And if it has been so much of a problem, why are we one of the most drafted teams in the country? Who over the last 5 years has put more players in the NFL besides UF and USC? Why are we the only team with a 1st round draft pick each of the last 5 years? Your words don't match the results.
Posted on 2/24/09 at 12:07 pm to SlowFlowPro
sfp. i don't normally do this but i want to help you out because you're clearly intelligent but need some guidance. please tell me the definitions of:
confirmation bias
cognitive dissonance
confirmation bias
cognitive dissonance
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