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re: What is Miles' legacy if he never wins another NC at LSU?
Posted on 8/3/12 at 12:24 am to Boudin
Posted on 8/3/12 at 12:24 am to Boudin
It's making fun of stupid people. People have actually thought it was mind bottling.
Eta I'm pretty sure it was used in will ferrels "blades of glory" movie as well. Could be wrong though.
Eta I'm pretty sure it was used in will ferrels "blades of glory" movie as well. Could be wrong though.
This post was edited on 8/3/12 at 12:25 am
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Posted on 8/3/12 at 12:24 am to Fight4LSU
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Saban wasn't here long enough to claim that honor
bullshite. You can have just as much argument for Saban as the best coach ever at LSU. He did something Miles didn't do. That's take a program in complete shambles and turned it into the national powerhouse it should've been 30 years ago. Much of what he did to this program and how it's structured is still going today.
You can hate him all you want being Bama's coach but you can't take away what he did to this program. Because he's a program builder, you can definitely say he's every bit as good as Les here. Les hasn't proved he can build any program. All he's done is maintain LSU and nothing wrong with that. We wouldn't be here today without Saban. That's the sad truth some of you don't want to realize. Give respect where it's due. I'd say it's tied with Miles and Saban. Maybe giving Saban the slight edge because he built us into a national powerhouse.
If Miles wins it all this year, then he's the best coach we ever had.
This post was edited on 8/3/12 at 12:27 am
Posted on 8/3/12 at 12:24 am to Fight4LSU
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Greatest coach in LSU football history bar none!
Easily, but the reason its not widely accepted by national media and fans is because hes so goofy and different.
I like him just the way he is, he'll win it all this year and he'll be recognized for it.
Posted on 8/3/12 at 12:28 am to deuce985
Miles at LSU has had a better tenure than Saban did at LSU.
Posted on 8/3/12 at 12:29 am to saintforlife1
After this season your question will be invalid. See ya in miami
Posted on 8/3/12 at 12:30 am to brettd
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After this season your question will be invalid. See ya in miami
Posted on 8/3/12 at 12:31 am to Boudin
And Miles inherited a team that was already a national powerhouse.
Saban had to build a new administration, structure and change the landscape of LSU's recruiting. He had a lot more working against him. This program needed to be built from the ground up and he did it.
When he's done coaching at Bama, I'll bet he's recognized as being one the greatest coaches in CFB. And I'll bet he's recognized as a better coach than Miles. He did the same thing at LSU that he's doing now at Bama. LSU would be a dynasty if he was still here. Just like he's building Bama to be now.
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But the question is who is the greatest coach ever at LSU. It will be Miles if he wins it all this year. Simply because Saban didn't stay around long enough to maintain his dominance here. If Miles never wins another NC, then I think Saban should still be in the argument as greatest HC ever here.
Saban had to build a new administration, structure and change the landscape of LSU's recruiting. He had a lot more working against him. This program needed to be built from the ground up and he did it.
When he's done coaching at Bama, I'll bet he's recognized as being one the greatest coaches in CFB. And I'll bet he's recognized as a better coach than Miles. He did the same thing at LSU that he's doing now at Bama. LSU would be a dynasty if he was still here. Just like he's building Bama to be now.
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But the question is who is the greatest coach ever at LSU. It will be Miles if he wins it all this year. Simply because Saban didn't stay around long enough to maintain his dominance here. If Miles never wins another NC, then I think Saban should still be in the argument as greatest HC ever here.
This post was edited on 8/3/12 at 12:34 am
Posted on 8/3/12 at 12:32 am to Boudin
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but the reason its not widely accepted by national media and fans is because hes so goofy and different.
And because he commands no respect from the media.
His legacy will depend on how his career finishes out but so far so good.
Posted on 8/3/12 at 12:36 am to deuce985
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And Miles inherited a team that was already a national powerhouse.
But it's unfair for anyone to hold the state of the program against Miles when he arrived. He wasn't charged with a rebuilding mission and that's not his fault.
Posted on 8/3/12 at 12:39 am to Rocket
Yes and I've seen guys go over to programs and destroy them.
But you can look at Miles past and he's never shown program building ability.
Saban did it in a much faster time at Bama. At MSU, he turned them into a fairly respectable program too.
A program builder gets more respect from me right now, especially when you consider Miles wouldn't be here if it wasn't for Saban.
But I have to tip it over to Miles if he wins it this year. You just can't ignore that. Win it all and this argument means nothing.
But you can look at Miles past and he's never shown program building ability.
Saban did it in a much faster time at Bama. At MSU, he turned them into a fairly respectable program too.
A program builder gets more respect from me right now, especially when you consider Miles wouldn't be here if it wasn't for Saban.
But I have to tip it over to Miles if he wins it this year. You just can't ignore that. Win it all and this argument means nothing.
Posted on 8/3/12 at 12:43 am to deuce985
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But you can look at Miles past and he's never shown program building ability.
He made Okie State somewhat competitive.
It's not Miles' fault that we had been successful prior to his arrival. It's unfair to hold that against him.
Miles has done pretty much exactly what we've hired him to do.
Posted on 8/3/12 at 12:46 am to Rocket
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And Miles inherited a team that was already a national powerhouse.
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But it's unfair for anyone to hold the state of the program against Miles when he arrived. He wasn't charged with a rebuilding mission and that's not his fault.
True and also those to the contrary need to step up and give due on on something as equally special--following in the shoes of greatness and excelling beyond. How many coaches can do that? Check the history of those following legendary predecessors.
Anyways, I'm convinced that Les Miles can make any team a nation powerhouse, that he can program build. He has learned on the job, but these last few years with the adjustments he has made, and the hires he has made, and the recruiting, should make it obvious that he now composes all the elements of building a program, an empire.
Posted on 8/3/12 at 12:58 am to Boudin
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True but after '08 and '09 nobody thought we would win 10 games.
Yep. Honestly after 2009 I thought miles' days were numbered. Seemed like LSU had fallen a notch and was doomed to non-BCS bowls.
Posted on 8/3/12 at 1:08 am to saintforlife1
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What is Miles' legacy if he never wins another NC at LSU?
Let's ask this question in 2020...if applicable.
Posted on 8/3/12 at 1:14 am to brettd
When I say Miles is underperforming at LSU, I am comparing his record at LSU to Saban's record during the same time at Bama. In my opinion, Miles and Saban should have similar records - they play in the same conference, recruit from the same pool and have comparable talent levels every year. There is no reason for Miles to be out coached by Saban. The numbers don't lie:
Miles @ LSU:
2005-2011 (7 years)
Overall - 75-18 (80.65%)
SEC - 41-15 (73.21%)
SEC championships - 2
SEC division championships - 3
NC championships - 1
Nick Saban @ Alabama:
2007-2011 (5 years)
Overall - 55-12 (82.10%)
SEC - 32-8 (80%)
SEC championships - 1
SEC division championships - 2
NC championships - 2
If only Miles had beat Saban on Jan 9th.....we wouldn't even have this thread. It was more than just a lost game. It was a once in a life time opportunity for LSU to go unbeaten, which unlike other teams LSU never does. USC, Auburn, Alabama all are teams that go unbeaten when they field a championship caliber team. LSU seems to lay an egg or two ever year. That is why that game hurts so much because Miles and the offense gave it all away in 3.5 hours of JJ madness in the last game of the season having overcome such adversity all season to be in that position.
Nothing will make me happier than being proved wrong about this.
Miles @ LSU:
2005-2011 (7 years)
Overall - 75-18 (80.65%)
SEC - 41-15 (73.21%)
SEC championships - 2
SEC division championships - 3
NC championships - 1
Nick Saban @ Alabama:
2007-2011 (5 years)
Overall - 55-12 (82.10%)
SEC - 32-8 (80%)
SEC championships - 1
SEC division championships - 2
NC championships - 2
If only Miles had beat Saban on Jan 9th.....we wouldn't even have this thread. It was more than just a lost game. It was a once in a life time opportunity for LSU to go unbeaten, which unlike other teams LSU never does. USC, Auburn, Alabama all are teams that go unbeaten when they field a championship caliber team. LSU seems to lay an egg or two ever year. That is why that game hurts so much because Miles and the offense gave it all away in 3.5 hours of JJ madness in the last game of the season having overcome such adversity all season to be in that position.
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After this season your question will be invalid. See ya in miami
Nothing will make me happier than being proved wrong about this.
This post was edited on 8/3/12 at 1:20 am
Posted on 8/3/12 at 1:15 am to saintforlife1
He will not be remembered well at all. The teams that have been fielded here each year besides a few have been NC worthy. He will win a couple more before he retires though imo
Posted on 8/3/12 at 1:21 am to saintforlife1
Geez, the stuff you read in the offseason.
Why do so many LSU "fans" still have a hard on for Saban?
Granted, he's a great coach and did greats thing here. But some can't seem to get past him coaching another team. It's insulting to our team.
Like you said, the numbers don't lie:
Now tell me about the the NC's. Bama was lucky to be there in first place and as far as the other one for Bama goes, any team could beat a RS FR making his first start in a NG after Colt McCoy got hurt early in the 1st quarter but some fans just overlook that.
And tell me that winning the SEC means nothing too.
Why do so many LSU "fans" still have a hard on for Saban?
Granted, he's a great coach and did greats thing here. But some can't seem to get past him coaching another team. It's insulting to our team.
Like you said, the numbers don't lie:
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Miles @ LSU:
2005-2011 (7 years)
Overall - 75-18 (80.65%)
SEC - 41-15 (73.21%)
SEC championships - 2
SEC division championships - 3
NC championships - 1
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Nick Saban @ Alabama:
2007-2011 (5 years)
Overall - 55-12 (82.10%)
SEC - 32-8 (80%)
SEC championships - 1
SEC division championships - 2
NC championships - 2
Now tell me about the the NC's. Bama was lucky to be there in first place and as far as the other one for Bama goes, any team could beat a RS FR making his first start in a NG after Colt McCoy got hurt early in the 1st quarter but some fans just overlook that.
And tell me that winning the SEC means nothing too.
This post was edited on 8/3/12 at 1:24 am
Posted on 8/3/12 at 1:29 am to LSUFAN2005
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Posted by LSUFAN2005 He will not be remembered well at all. The teams that have been fielded here each year besides a few have been NC worthy. He will win a couple more before he retires though imo
I'm confused
Posted on 8/3/12 at 1:29 am to la_birdman
I agree that the things you have highlighted show Miles winning more championships, but it is a bit disingenuous if you don't consider that fact that Miles has coached two more seasons at LSU than Saban has at Bama.
On the same token, Saban has won 2 NCs in 5 years compared to 1 for Miles in 7 years. How do you think that makes Miles look?
This is not a hard on for Saban, it is cold hard facts without any sugar coating.
Like I said before, the difference is just one game - Jan 9th, 2012. If Miles had managed to pull that win out, the whole thing would be flipped in his favor. God, I don't know when I will get over that loss.
Of course Miles's only NC in 7 years of coaching at LSU came in a 2 loss season. I don't want to say we backed into the NC game, but LSU was lucky too to have so many top teams lose so late that season.
On the same token, Saban has won 2 NCs in 5 years compared to 1 for Miles in 7 years. How do you think that makes Miles look?
This is not a hard on for Saban, it is cold hard facts without any sugar coating.
Like I said before, the difference is just one game - Jan 9th, 2012. If Miles had managed to pull that win out, the whole thing would be flipped in his favor. God, I don't know when I will get over that loss.
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Now tell me about the the NC's. Bama was lucky to be there in first place and as far as the other one for Bama goes, any team could beat a RS FR making his first start in a NG after Colt McCoy got hurt early in the 1st quarter but some fans just overlook that.
Of course Miles's only NC in 7 years of coaching at LSU came in a 2 loss season. I don't want to say we backed into the NC game, but LSU was lucky too to have so many top teams lose so late that season.
This post was edited on 8/3/12 at 1:33 am
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