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re: What is Brandon Harris' skill set?
Posted on 9/7/16 at 9:49 am to Placebeaux
Posted on 9/7/16 at 9:49 am to Placebeaux
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Harris is too emotional to be an consistent effective QB at this level.
That may be the case now, but how he got to this point is another story.
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Posted on 9/7/16 at 9:50 am to atltiger6487
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We saw Jimbo roll out the FSU freshman QB against Ole Miss
It was beautiful. First half he had trouble in the pocket with the pressure from Ole Miss so Jimbo did something INSANE.
He made half time adjustments to roll the QB out more and the kid dominated.
Posted on 9/7/16 at 9:50 am to TheCaterpillar
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Our QBs have absolutely zero confidence because the coaches don't help them build it
EVERYTHING about Miles' approach to football and to the offense tells you that the man fears the INT as if his life was in danger.
It shows in the types of routes LSU runs. It shows everywhere.
QBs get that message loud and clear.
You ever play baseball? Ever go to the plate worried about striking out? Did that increase or decrease your odds of striking out?
Sure, we don't want INTs.
But, like I said before, as near as I can tell, Miles hasn't figured out that multiple 3 and outs is WORSE!
Posted on 9/7/16 at 9:51 am to ShortyRob
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multiple 3 and outs is WORSE!
Especially when you average 9 yards per punt
Posted on 9/7/16 at 9:52 am to TheCaterpillar
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It was beautiful. First half he had trouble in the pocket with the pressure from Ole Miss so Jimbo did something INSANE. He made half time adjustments to roll the QB out more and the kid dominated.
Miles is odd. His response to starting off running the ball and being totally stoned is to run more.
His response to passing and being stoned is to run more.
The man seems to approach passing like, "well, OK....I guess I'll try that shite".
Posted on 9/7/16 at 9:54 am to TheCaterpillar
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Especially when you average 9 yards per punt
Yeah.
This is actually MORE befuddling than the offense.
I get the offense. IE. Miles has a "Field Position/Eliminate Huge Mistakes/Take advantage of mistakes" thought process on football. Basically, he's waiting for the other team to lose the game.
But........um.............field position involves ensuring your kicking game is good!
I would think someone with Miles' philosophy on football would be out of his fricking mind about our special teams.......yet he brought BDP back!
Posted on 9/7/16 at 9:55 am to slackster
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No doubt. He has the things you can't really coach. He could have been sculpted into a lethal collegiate QB.
If he played for a guy like Jimbo, Meyer or Dabo he'd be in conversations for a 1st round draft pick. The talent is there.
Then you see videos from Cam Cameron telling him to "Throw it as hard as possible" and you have the high throws or games last year where he put it right on the money but "threw it as hard as possible" where the receiver couldn't catch up.
The dude had the talent to be one of our best QBs ever. He was accurate at Parkway. Pretty sure he set the record for passing yards in a 5A state title game, but when you're being coached to "throw it as hard as possible" and you only have 2 receivers to throw to, you're going to get a panicking QB who throws fastballs.
Posted on 9/7/16 at 9:56 am to ShortyRob
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Miles is odd.
The more the pressure is turned up, the more he meddles and resorts to what he "knows." That isn't really an odd characteristic, but it is incredibly unfortunate for LSU's success.
Posted on 9/7/16 at 9:58 am to LZ83
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What is Brandon Harris' skill set?
For me?...End, Guard, and Tackle.
Posted on 9/7/16 at 9:59 am to slackster
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The more the pressure is turned up, the more he meddles and resorts to what he "knows." That isn't really an odd characteristic, but it is incredibly unfortunate for LSU's success.
My personality has always been to absorb any and all new information I can gain access too. If someone else is doing something effective in my line of work, the first thing I want to do is learn it and see if it can help me be more effective or if I can add it to the skill set I already have.
Frankly, being like Miles in a normal profession would make you completely unattractive as an employee.
Posted on 9/7/16 at 10:02 am to LZ83
quote:I didn't watch him in high school so I don't know. But I'm pretty sure he took 90% of snaps in the shotgun, but I could be wrong.
What is his skill set
The coaching staff makes all of their decisions in the passing game to limit the negatives instead of enhancing the positives. But by doing so they actually decrease the chance of positives. For example, LSU will max protect and only send out 2 receivers, but covering 2 receivers is very easy to defend against rather than 4.
Lsu also, does not have a very good play action pass plays out of the I-formation. Their offense doesn't build off anything or set up anything. It's just a collection of plays.
Posted on 9/7/16 at 10:04 am to ShortyRob
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Frankly, being like Miles in a normal profession would make you completely unattractive as an employee.
I like this answer alot
Posted on 9/7/16 at 10:04 am to ShortyRob
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My personality has always been to absorb any and all new information I can gain access too. If someone else is doing something effective in my line of work, the first thing I want to do is learn it and see if it can help me be more effective or if I can add it to the skill set I already have.
Yeah that is a great way to approach things, but Miles is essentially at the pinnacle of the college coaching arc. Undoubtedly he thinks what he has done up to this point is the reason he is here in the first place, so he resorts back to that when the pressure is dialed up. In no way am I suggesting that is appropriate, but it's the truth.
He has had OCs from all walks of life and yet when the going gets tough, ground and pound is the default option. To expect anything different would require a fundamental shift in his entire philosophy.
Posted on 9/7/16 at 10:04 am to tigerdup07
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he throws a beautiful spiral.
That cant hit the Frickin broad side of a barn
Posted on 9/7/16 at 10:05 am to ShortyRob
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If ONE of your QBs plays scared as frick, he might be a head case. If 4 out of the last 5 do.........that's probably not the player.
Exactly. Les trains his QB's to be scared shitless of a turnover. Very few receiving options on any given play, most routes take forever to develop, and when they do make a throw the guy has to be wide arse open for them to feel comfortable making the throw. Les takes any kind of feel out of the QB position and scripts the shite out of a handful of shitty, simple pass plays. He even admitted it yesterday when he said they 'insist' that BH throw to certain guys. This is an ongoing pattern that goes back at least to the JJ/Lee years.
Posted on 9/7/16 at 10:06 am to Oddibe
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The coaching staff makes all of their decisions in the passing game to limit the negatives instead of enhancing the positives. But by doing so they actually decrease the chance of positives.
THANK YOU!!! SOMEONE GETS IT!
Miles' ability to assess risk sucks arse.
When almost all of your passing is done when a completion is REQUIRED, you place pressure on your QB AND, the defense knows the shite is coming.
Then, when you add to that the reality that all of your routes are first and foremost, designed to reduce the odds of INTs, you magnify the first problem. NOW, the defense knows WHERE it's going(or, more to the point, where it isn't).
Any 5 DBs of average talent can deal with that. It creates an environment where the ONLY way we can pass is if our running game is literally mowing the other team down.
Posted on 9/7/16 at 10:07 am to LZ83
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What is Brandon Harris' skill set?
Height
Big arm
Runs pretty fast
He pretty much lacks everything else it takes to play QB effectively at this level.
Posted on 9/7/16 at 10:08 am to ShortyRob
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It creates an environment where the ONLY way we can pass is if our running game is literally mowing the other team down.
and we cant do that with 12 guys in the box
Posted on 9/7/16 at 10:09 am to TheCaterpillar
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I have a feeling that Brandon Harris would fricking kill it for a guy like Jimbo
I have a feeling Brandon Harris would never see the field for a guy like jimbo.
This post was edited on 9/7/16 at 10:10 am
Posted on 9/7/16 at 10:12 am to LZ83
Brandon's skill set is a gun slinger with wheels. He's built to be In Shotgun.
Getting in Iform and only throwing 5 and 7 step drops at him off play action does nothing to help him. Especially when the oLine can't block
He may not be good. But I don't think he's nearly as bad it looks. We don't put him/anyone in the best position to succeed.
Im not trying to absolved Harris of all the blame because he definitely shoulders some. But the Lions share of blame rest with Leslie and Cam. I honestly believe if Harris goes to auburn instead he is a legit servicable QB in the conference. I don't think anyone can be a servicable qb in our system.
Getting in Iform and only throwing 5 and 7 step drops at him off play action does nothing to help him. Especially when the oLine can't block
He may not be good. But I don't think he's nearly as bad it looks. We don't put him/anyone in the best position to succeed.
Im not trying to absolved Harris of all the blame because he definitely shoulders some. But the Lions share of blame rest with Leslie and Cam. I honestly believe if Harris goes to auburn instead he is a legit servicable QB in the conference. I don't think anyone can be a servicable qb in our system.
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