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re: What happened to Jordan Jefferson over the course of his career
Posted on 7/31/15 at 11:54 am to Salviati
Posted on 7/31/15 at 11:54 am to Salviati
quote:
First Principles, BCS Statmaster
You brought up the ESPN QBR. You defend it.
You say it is wrong. You have brought no evidence it is wrong other than terms like "gobbldeygook"
which is nonsense. Please delineate the problems with the method.
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Posted on 7/31/15 at 11:56 am to lsufball19
quote:
'm suggesting the games happened and removing them from the argument is disingenuous. the two only had one common opponent, alabama. they both played horribly in those starts. so, from there, you use the data you have available to you. you use all data, not the data that suits your argument the best. just because you can provide a reason as to why you remove a data point doesn't mean you were correct in doing so.
His argument is Lee didnt have any stats in those games, so he excluded them.
Yet he included other games that fit his exclusion criteria.
The analysis would be laughed out of a freshman level stats class.
Posted on 7/31/15 at 11:56 am to CptBengal
This whole thread needs to be set on fire. Why are we still posting graphs and stats from a season 4 years ago?
Both of those guys have moved on with their lives. I think it's time we all do too.
We are only a month away from the 2015 season!
Both of those guys have moved on with their lives. I think it's time we all do too.
We are only a month away from the 2015 season!
Posted on 7/31/15 at 11:57 am to BCS Statmaster
quote:
Good response and to the point.
frick you.... that was exhausting.
Posted on 7/31/15 at 11:57 am to lsufball19
quote:Here's an apples to apples comparison for you.
He picks the three games Jefferson started and use those as his basis for an entire statistical comparison.
LSU played the #3 team twice in 2011.
In the first game, the QB completed 45% of his passes for less than 100 yards passing. His QB rating was under 100. That #3 team had the 88th ranked passing defense.
In the second game LSU played against a #3 team, the QB completed 62% of his passes for over 200 yards passing. The QB also rushed for 53 yards in LSU's most prolific offensive performance in 2011. The only game in which LSU gained almost 500 yards . . . and the QB was responsible for over half of those yards. That #3 team had the 24th ranked passing defense.
The first game was Lee's game against Oregon.
The second game was Jefferson's game against Arkansas.
Posted on 7/31/15 at 11:58 am to Salviati
quote:
Here's an apples to apples comparison for you.
LSU played the #3 team twice in 2011.
Oregon and Arkansas are the same team?
try again
This post was edited on 7/31/15 at 11:59 am
Posted on 7/31/15 at 11:58 am to Salviati
quote:
prove to me that my QBCs for Jefferson and Lee are in any way inaccurate or factually incorrect
LSU won every game Lee participated in (2011), not so with Jefferson ... no link, graph, etc
I can be just as absurd as the next guy!
Posted on 7/31/15 at 11:59 am to BCS Statmaster
quote:
LSU won every game Lee participated in (2011), not so with Jefferson ... no link, graph, etc
those are facts
Posted on 7/31/15 at 12:04 pm to lsufball19
Same teams....
Kentucky
JL -121.5 QB Rat
JJ - N/A
Florida
JL - 232.4 QB Rat
JJ - 285.6 QB Rat
Tennessee
JL - 202.9 QB Rat
JJ - 55.7 QB Rat
Auburn
JL - 172.3 QB Rat
JJ - 327.9 QB Rat
Alabama
JL - 14.5 QB Rat
JJ - 116.3 QB Rat
I don't believe there exists a statistically significant way of comparing the two quarterbacks in the 2011 season. Lee did just enough in the first 8 games to lend an assist to the defense and running game, then shite the bed against Alabama... then Jefferson did just enough in the following 4 games to lend an assist to the defense and running game, then shite the bed against Alabama.
It's a miracle we were able to beat then the first time. Kudos to Eric Reid, Brad Wing, and their piss-poor placekicker.
Kentucky
JL -121.5 QB Rat
JJ - N/A
Florida
JL - 232.4 QB Rat
JJ - 285.6 QB Rat
Tennessee
JL - 202.9 QB Rat
JJ - 55.7 QB Rat
Auburn
JL - 172.3 QB Rat
JJ - 327.9 QB Rat
Alabama
JL - 14.5 QB Rat
JJ - 116.3 QB Rat
I don't believe there exists a statistically significant way of comparing the two quarterbacks in the 2011 season. Lee did just enough in the first 8 games to lend an assist to the defense and running game, then shite the bed against Alabama... then Jefferson did just enough in the following 4 games to lend an assist to the defense and running game, then shite the bed against Alabama.
It's a miracle we were able to beat then the first time. Kudos to Eric Reid, Brad Wing, and their piss-poor placekicker.
This post was edited on 7/31/15 at 12:06 pm
Posted on 7/31/15 at 12:08 pm to chilge1
quote:
then Jefferson did just enough in the following 4 games to lend an assist to the defense and running game, then shite the bed against Alabama.
UGA
5/13, 30 yds.
30.
Posted on 7/31/15 at 12:08 pm to Salviati
quote:
I have always enjoyed teaching. This thread is an opportunity to enlighten some minds and spread the truth. It's a teachable moment, and I don't plan on to waste it.
This statement... congrats. Narcisstic, egotistical, and total doucheness. You've outdone yourself.
Posted on 7/31/15 at 12:10 pm to lsufball19
quote::sigh:quote:like i said, he didn't have enough data points to make a reliable comparison. just like using three of five starts for jefferson to lee's 9 starts.
Lee's 2009 season was worse than his 2008 season. Lee did not have many stats for 2009, but the stats he had were worse than the stats he had in 2008.
First, Lee had pass attempt in six games in 2009. He started the game against Louisiana Tech. Not many stats, but worse than 2008.
Second, I don't use just three games for Jefferson in 2011. It just so happens that ALL three of Jefferson's starts were better offensive outputs than ALL nine of Lee's starts.
quote:I used ALL of his regular season STATS not just his regular season STARTS. It just so happens that ALL three of Jefferson's starts were better offensive outputs than ALL nine of Lee's starts.
all his regular season starts were 3 games, so what exactly are you arguing here? And I know you used his regular season starts. We all know what you used. Most of us just feel that it's disingenuous. You obviously refuse to agree to that, so there's really no point in arguing it with you anymore, as you are going to do nothing but copying and pasting the same argument.
quote:Lee started against the WORST team LSU faced in 2011. Lee started against 4 of the 5 WORST teams that LSU faced in 2011. Against ONE of those horrible teams, Lee SHOULD have been able to lead LSU to one of LSU's best offensive outputs of the 2011 season. However, EVERY single game that Jefferson started were better offensive outputs than Lee's starts.quote:define "better." they were against different teams. and using their national defense ranking is also disingenuous as the quality of opponents of all those teams will be drastically different depending on conference and ooc scheduling.
Are you really suggesting that the championship games are comparable to the regular season games?
The THREE best offensive outputs of the 2011 season were the THREE games that Jefferson started. Lee started against crappier teams. Why didn't Lee have any of three best games?
Oh, and for the record, the FOURTH best YPC games was the SECCG. LSU gained over 200 yards rushing in the SECCG. Out of the NINE games that Lee started in 2011, LSU gained 200 yards rushing only TWICE.
Posted on 7/31/15 at 12:12 pm to CptBengal
quote:
You say it is wrong. You have brought no evidence it is wrong other than terms like "gobbldeygook"
which is nonsense. Please delineate the problems with the method.
First, BCS Statmaster still bears the burden of defending the ESPN QBR. It seems he as acquiesced.
Second, lease delineate the method.
Posted on 7/31/15 at 12:13 pm to CptBengal
UGA
42-10
42.
42-10
42.
Posted on 7/31/15 at 12:13 pm to chilge1
quote:quote:frick you.... that was exhausting.
Good response and to the point.
Posted on 7/31/15 at 12:15 pm to lsufball19
quote::sigh:quote:Oregon and Arkansas are the same team?
Here's an apples to apples comparison for you.
LSU played the #3 team twice in 2011.
try again
No, Oregon and Arkansas are NOT the same team.
They were both ranked #3 in 2011. LSU played against both of them. Thus, LSU played the #3 team twice in 2011.
Posted on 7/31/15 at 12:16 pm to chilge1
quote:
Kentucky
JL -121.5 QB Rat 8/21 169 Yds 1 TD
JJ - N/A 0/0 0 YDs
Florida
JL - 232.4 QB Rat 7/10 154 Yds 1 TD
JJ - 285.6 QB Rat 3/4 61 Yds 1 TD
Tennessee
JL - 202.9 QB Rat 13/17 138 YDs 3 TDs
JJ - 55.7 QB Rat 1/3 8 YDs
Auburn
JL - 172.3 QB Rat 14/20 165 Yds 2 TDs
JJ - 327.9 QB Rat 2/3 54 YDs 1 TDs
Alabama
JL - 14.5 QB Rat 3/7 24 Yds 2 INTs
JJ - 116.3 QB Rat 6/10 67 Yds
Totals:
Jarrett Lee: 45/75 650 yards 7 TDs 2 INTs
Jordan Jefferson: 12/20 190 Yds 2 TDs
Jordan Jefferson very clearly lacks the requisite number of data points to make a reliable comparison. I swear the term statistical variance doesn't mean anything to you two.
Posted on 7/31/15 at 12:18 pm to CptBengal
quote:quote:UGA
then Jefferson did just enough in the following 4 games to lend an assist to the defense and running game, then shite the bed against Alabama.
5/13, 30 yds.
30.
quote:You talk about me removing data points?!?!
This coming from the man that wants to remove data points that he doesnt like.....that fricking rich.
Jefferson threw a pass for a TD
Jefferson was also the QB for the other three offensive TDs. In ALL FIVE of LSU's possessions in the second half of the SECCG, Jefferson either ran for, threw for, or executed an option or zone read for a first down. ALL FIVE. And again, LSU rushed better when Jefferson was QB, and the SECCG was the fourth highest YPC in 2011. (The only games with higher YPC were Jefferson's three regular season starts.)
Posted on 7/31/15 at 12:19 pm to lsufball19
Take your tampon out and read the underneath paragraph where I admitted as such.
If there was any discernible difference between the two, it was marginal at best. I can't understand, for the life of me, why this isn't the accepted truth.
ETA: Plus there's this...
Jarrett Lee: 45/75 650 yards 7 TDs 2 INTs.
Jordan Jefferson 12/20 190 yards 2 TDs, 37 carries, 154 yards 2 TDs
If there was any discernible difference between the two, it was marginal at best. I can't understand, for the life of me, why this isn't the accepted truth.
ETA: Plus there's this...
Jarrett Lee: 45/75 650 yards 7 TDs 2 INTs.
Jordan Jefferson 12/20 190 yards 2 TDs, 37 carries, 154 yards 2 TDs
This post was edited on 7/31/15 at 12:29 pm
Posted on 7/31/15 at 12:20 pm to zsav77
quote:Another poster who can't discredit the facts so he attempts to discredit the poster who brings the facts.quote:This statement... congrats. Narcisstic, egotistical, and total doucheness. You've outdone yourself.
I have always enjoyed teaching. This thread is an opportunity to enlighten some minds and spread the truth. It's a teachable moment, and I don't plan on to waste it.
The statement remains true. I have always enjoyed teaching. This thread is an opportunity to enlighten some minds and spread the truth. It's a teachable moment, and I don't plan on to waste it.
You might not like the facts, but I will continue to present the facts.
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