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re: What do ya'll want from Trent Johnson? I see the same post....
Posted on 2/6/12 at 4:50 pm to Jester
Posted on 2/6/12 at 4:50 pm to Jester
How anyone can be happy four years in with TJ is incredible to me. Fours years in with this guy and we are not even on the same planet as Kentucky. I do not know about the rest of you but I always like comparing myself to the best, which is where our goal should be, not praying to get in the NIT four years in. I continue to believe the NIT is gonna be what we are pulling for with this guy. We are definitely better than last year, thank god, that may have been the worst D1 bb team I have ever seen. From what I have watched over the past four years, he will not do much here unless he gets a kid like Marcus to make him look like a hero. Could care less about stats, stats are for losers. `One thing I do know is when you post them at least tell the whole story, what brady inherited and what TJ inherited is a completely different scenerio and he won the SEC in his third year and thanks to the NBA had to rebuild again, ON PROBATION. TJ inherited a dream team and could have built on that, instead we watched two dreadful years of bb, could be looking at a third. Who know what will happen over the next games, I was just thinking four years in we would be atleast be a bubble team. We are not even in the conversation at this point. I am sure that is what LSU was thinking four years in with the new guy when we fired the last guy with 7 games to go, with his best player out for the year and 18 months out of the Final Four.
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Posted on 2/6/12 at 4:51 pm to tuptiger
Though the numbers sometimes paint a bad picture for a team I'm not ready to give up on TJ just yet. I too am a little disappointed where we're at at present but I think the body of work is getting better. Besides He's here for the rest of this year and if he just wins a couple more it will earn him another year in Alleva's eyes. 
Posted on 2/6/12 at 4:59 pm to jr33
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How anyone can be happy four years in with TJ is incredible to me
In fairness, I haven't seen anyone say they are happy with the program. Most of them are just arguing to let him finish the year, which I agree with. You won't be able to hire a replacement until the year is over, anyway. Unless we yank the rug out from another team, which is never cool.
Posted on 2/6/12 at 5:20 pm to jr33
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jr33
Miss Brady much?
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I was just thinking four years in we would be atleast be a bubble team.
If we finish strong, we will be a bubble team.
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I am sure that is what LSU was thinking four years in with the new guy when we fired the last guy with 7 games to go, with his best player out for the year and 18 months out of the Final Four.
The last guy was a complete joke which is why it has taken Trent Johnson this long to finally get our program back in the right direction. Brady knew how to build a good team every 4 years, but could not sustain a good program to save his life.
That is exactly what Trent Johnson is doing now...if people like you will give him time.
Posted on 2/6/12 at 5:22 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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The last guy was a complete joke which is why it has taken Trent Johnson this long to finally get our program back in the right direction. Brady knew how to build a good team every 4 years, but could not sustain a good program to save his life.
That is exactly what Trent Johnson is doing now...if people like you will give him time.
Fourth year.....one good team..... that IS exactly what TJ is doing......
Sorry, you set that one up.
Posted on 2/6/12 at 5:25 pm to Jester
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Fourth year.....one good team..... that IS exactly what TJ is doing......
Sorry, you set that one up.
Set what up? We are improving and TJ has said from the beginning that he will build a program here with players that stay longer than 1 year. That is what he is doing. Sorry you cant seem to comprehend that.
Quick question: If you aren't advocating his firing right now...what's the point of continuing this assault on him exactly? I mean, we all agree to let this season play out.
Posted on 2/6/12 at 5:28 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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Posted on 2/6/12 at 5:29 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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Set what up?
You said Brady only had one good team every 4 years. TJ has had one good team in 4 years. Not hard to figure out.
Posted on 2/6/12 at 5:32 pm to Jester
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That brings his totals to:
52-58 & 21-35
Since you're obviously too stupid to do the math on your assertion that "Brady was further ahead at this point than Johnson", I'll do it for you.
Brady: FIRST FOUR YEARS - SEC wins - 20
Johnson: FIRST THREE YEARS + THIS SEASON - SEC wins - 21
So, unless Johnson wins negative 1 games the rest of the season, you've proven yourself an idiot there.
Brady: FIRST FOUR YEARS - Overall wins - 62
Johnson: FIRST THREE YEARS + THIS SEASON - Overall wins - 62
So, if Johnson loses EVERY game from here on out, they're even. Wanna place on bet on that?
NCAA Record, first four years - Brady: Win vs. #13 SEMS, #5 Texas; Loss vs. #8 Wisconsin
NCAA Record, first four years - Johnson: Win vs #9 Butler, Loss vs. #1 North Carolina
So, other than the win against SEMS, your entire premise is horseshite.
Oh, and the bonus round:
Last place finishes - first four years - Brady - 3
Last place finishes - first three years - Johnson - 2
I know you're actively rooting for LSU to finish last this year, but frankly it's not looking good.
I've RA'd you for trolling, BTW.
GFY.
Posted on 2/6/12 at 5:34 pm to Jester
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You said Brady only had one good team every 4 years. TJ has had one good team in 4 years. Not hard to figure out.
Brady was here for 10 years....Johnson is in the middle of his 4th.
Do I need to go further with that?
Posted on 2/6/12 at 5:35 pm to Sheep
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So, basically be one of the Top 10 programs in the country?
That's the key.
Most of the fans who bitch and complain just want it to be. They don't want to consider where he started or take an objective look at where the program is going. They don't want to support the program as it is being rebuilt...instead they complain. It is classic fair weather fan syndrome.
Either the guy is going to be able to ultimately get it done, or not. I'm not sure what the answer is yet. What I do know is that this program was a disaster when Johnson took over and it is better now (from a program standpoint) than it was then.
It makes no sense to start piling on Johnson now, when he is on the verge of turning the corner. Instead, the fanbase should get behind him and see if he can get it done. If he can't then we move on. If he can, then you can remember the hard work that was put in to get to that point.
I was at the game on Saturday. There were sparks of electricity. If we can turn the corner, that place will become electric again. I have no doubt.
Posted on 2/6/12 at 5:36 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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Quick question: If you aren't advocating his firing right now...what's the point of continuing this assault on him exactly? I mean, we all agree to let this season play out.
Assault on him? Are you serious? For one, I never advocate firing a coach during the season for anything short of serious ethical violations (sleeping with a coed doesn't count, you jealous bastards). The other part is, because I can. Letting the season play out doesn't mean closing your eyes and hoping you find a winning team when you open them again.
Finally, I'll answer your question with another question:
John Brady has been gone 5 years. We all agree about that. Why the need to continue this assault on him?
I chose to call you out because you are STILL trying to use Brady as an excuse for Johnson's failures. Brady is gone. Johnson had a full year to recruit this year's juniors. At some point, you have to stop blaming Brady. I mean, do you want to blame the championship game on Gerry Dinardo?
Posted on 2/6/12 at 5:36 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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Brady was here for 10 years....Johnson is in the middle of his 4th.
Do I need to go further with that?
If you remove Brady's 5 last place finishes and his fourth place finish, Brady had a pretty good run here.
Guy gets a bum rap, IMO.
Posted on 2/6/12 at 5:39 pm to Sheep
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Since you're obviously too stupid to do the math on your assertion that "Brady was further ahead at this point than Johnson", I'll do it for you.
Brady: FIRST FOUR YEARS - SEC wins - 20
Johnson: FIRST THREE YEARS + THIS SEASON - SEC wins - 21
So, unless Johnson wins negative 1 games the rest of the season, you've proven yourself an idiot there.
Brady: FIRST FOUR YEARS - Overall wins - 62
Johnson: FIRST THREE YEARS + THIS SEASON - Overall wins - 62
So, if Johnson loses EVERY game from here on out, they're even. Wanna place on bet on that?
NCAA Record, first four years - Brady: Win vs. #13 SEMS, #5 Texas; Loss vs. #8 Wisconsin
NCAA Record, first four years - Johnson: Win vs #9 Butler, Loss vs. #1 North Carolina
So, other than the win against SEMS, your entire premise is horseshite.
Oh, and the bonus round:
Last place finishes - first four years - Brady - 3
Last place finishes - first three years - Johnson - 2
I know you're actively rooting for LSU to finish last this year, but frankly it's not looking good.
I've RA'd you for trolling, BTW.
GFY.
How am I trolling? By disagreeing with almighty goat?
You are comparing Brady and Johnson apples to apples. Brady was under SEVERE probation his first 4 years. Johnson was under NO probation. So, Johnson has done about equally to a coach who was under one of the most severe probations in the history of the sport?
Posted on 2/6/12 at 5:40 pm to moneyg
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Most of the fans who bitch and complain just want it to be. They don't want to consider where he started or take an objective look at where the program is going. They don't want to support the program as it is being rebuilt...instead they complain. It is classic fair weather fan syndrome.
I agree, and while I come across a Johnson supporter, I'm actually more of a "stability" supporter. Bringing LSU basketball back to where it was in 1988 is a 5-10 year process, minimum.
We need to focus on being the best team in the west for 5 years, and move on to bigger goals from there.
With Moultrie and Bost leaving, I think LSU can be the best team in the west next year.
Posted on 2/6/12 at 5:40 pm to Sheep
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If you remove Brady's 5 last place finishes and his fourth place finish, Brady had a pretty good run here.
Posted on 2/6/12 at 5:40 pm to Sheep
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If you remove Brady's 5 last place finishes and his fourth place finish, Brady had a pretty good run here.
Guy gets a bum rap, IMO.
Nobody wants Brady back. Get over him.
Posted on 2/6/12 at 5:42 pm to Sheep
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I know you're actively rooting for LSU to finish last this year, but frankly it's not looking good.
I've RA'd you for trolling, BTW.
Yeah, I want LSU to lose. That's exactly it. You're a moron.
Posted on 2/6/12 at 5:43 pm to Jester
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Letting the season play out doesn't mean closing your eyes and hoping you find a winning team when you open them again.
Who is closing their eyes about THIS SEASON??? Your criticisms are largely based on the past 2 years. I have gone to all the games this year and see the improvement this team has made. That is why I am optimistic for this program right now.
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I chose to call you out because you are STILL trying to use Brady as an excuse for Johnson's failures. Brady is gone. Johnson had a full year to recruit this year's juniors. At some point, you have to stop blaming Brady.
The situation that Johnson had to deal with WAS due to the failures of JOHN BRADY. I'm not saying give TJ forever...I say, like everyone else, give him this year, and if we finish strong then next year to make the Tourney.
But you can't deny the fact that our program was shite when Brady was fired. We had players to put one good team together but because Brady could't sustain a program, TJ had to rebuild completely from scratch. At a school that is basically 3rd string to Football and Baseball, that takes time.
Posted on 2/6/12 at 5:45 pm to LSU6969
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Besides He's here for the rest of this year and if he just wins a couple more it will earn him another year in Alleva's eyes
I think it's pretty simple...win, get to the NIT at least, or go home.
62-58 over all at LSU and 20-35 in the SEC after 3 years and 22 games would be a tough sell without some kinda post season this year. imo
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