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re: What did JJ do that was so bad in the 1st half?
Posted on 12/4/11 at 5:13 pm to ForeLSU
Posted on 12/4/11 at 5:13 pm to ForeLSU
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correct, which is why I don't judge one way or the other, I don't get pissed about situations I have no facts on...I can be curious about his decision, even question if he's doing the right thing...I've never had an issue with that
Just a head scratcher. Don't think because you have a couple loons going off on a message board that there are a lot of pissed off folks. It just reinforces some of the water cooler talk about Miles and the QB's that went around last year.
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you would have thought Miles would have at least given him a shot at doing something besides running the clock out. If you think it's just a few delusional people who wonder this, you would be wrong.
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I agree...I've been a big Lee supporter since he arrived on campus and was hoping he'd get in earlier, but I don't have the facts on why. I'm disappointed for him, but I have no basis for being "pissed that he's getting screwed by Miles". My remarks concerned those folks who have taken this tack.
Well, those folks are not a true representation of those who discuss the subject. I think everyone wonders what was going on. They tend to hijack the conversation though.
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Posted on 12/4/11 at 5:14 pm to sabanisarustedspoke
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Agree, especially since the penalty is walked off from the spot of the throw and you lose a down.
Learn the rules.
Posted on 12/4/11 at 5:24 pm to amiznit
I've discussed this for the last 3 years. same result. JJ is not a quarterback. Alabama will beat the hell out of us with JJ as qb. 1 more game and we'll be through with the qb drama. Next year, as well as the next and next...we will win the NC. best athletes in country on lsu. just need a decent qb which we will have next year 
Posted on 12/4/11 at 5:27 pm to Tiger JJ
i'm not going to bother getting into the JJ/JL thing, but your conclusion on the intentional grounding makes it blatantly obvious you know jack shite about football. You should judge a players decision to either take a sack or throw it away on a case by case basis, and his wasn't even close to having a chance of not being called. I don't think he even made it out of the guard box, much less the tackle box, and there wasn't a receiver anywhere near it.
arguing in general for trying to throw the ball away is just as stupid. in general, it's an easy to spot call and it's almost never missed. you're guaranteeing a loss of ten yards instead of the 5 or 6 you usually lose on a sack, and you're trading the "small chance" of saving 5 yards and it not being called for the equally small but considerably more consequential risk of getting hit while you throw or a tipped pass, etc resulting in a turnover.
arguing in general for trying to throw the ball away is just as stupid. in general, it's an easy to spot call and it's almost never missed. you're guaranteeing a loss of ten yards instead of the 5 or 6 you usually lose on a sack, and you're trading the "small chance" of saving 5 yards and it not being called for the equally small but considerably more consequential risk of getting hit while you throw or a tipped pass, etc resulting in a turnover.
Posted on 12/4/11 at 6:30 pm to el duderino III
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arguing in general for trying to throw the ball away is just as stupid. in general, it's an easy to spot call and it's almost never missed. you're guaranteeing a loss of ten yards instead of the 5 or 6 you usually lose on a sack, and you're trading the "small chance" of saving 5 yards and it not being called for the equally small but considerably more consequential risk of getting hit while you throw or a tipped pass, etc resulting in a turnover.
I didn't rewind the play, but my recollection was he was way, way deep behind the LoS.
Posted on 12/4/11 at 6:39 pm to Tiger JJ
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Oh right. I forgot about those 3 series where he was the only player LSU fielded against all 11 UGA dudes. That really wasn't fai
I now see the light. I hope JJ can come back for 4 more years.
Posted on 12/4/11 at 6:42 pm to Tiger JJ
I didn't read the whole thread, but while the line did not play well early, JJ had a bad game. Most of his throws were off target, and the receivers were open.
It was basically a home game for UGA, and it got LOUD in that dome. I can understand how that could get to a QB. Hopefully, we will see bowl game JJ show up. He's always played great in bowl games, and the basic home field we will have should be helpful.
It was basically a home game for UGA, and it got LOUD in that dome. I can understand how that could get to a QB. Hopefully, we will see bowl game JJ show up. He's always played great in bowl games, and the basic home field we will have should be helpful.
Posted on 12/4/11 at 6:45 pm to TigerNutwhack
That girl who won the money from Dr Pepper at halftime was throwing better looking passes than JJ 
Posted on 12/4/11 at 6:49 pm to novabill
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I now see the light. I hope JJ can come back for 4 more years.
I really don't care who is the QB. I really don't. Both of these guys have been around a long time and paid their dues and had huge ups and huge downs. My point is that we in the stands have no idea WTF is going on behind the scenes re the situation. And given the fact that games are continually being won by many TD's, why is it such a huge point of contention which one of them plays? I mean, really. Who could possibly care at all?
Posted on 12/4/11 at 6:50 pm to d6k
Looked better and most actually hit their target as well. 
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Posted on 12/4/11 at 6:56 pm to Tiger JJ
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My point is that we in the stands have no idea WTF is going on behind the scenes re the situation. And given the fact that games are continually being won by many TD's, why is it such a huge point of contention which one of them plays? I mean, really. Who could possibly care at all?
Agreed. Something is going on, and there is a good chance it is something that we should not made privy too.
There is two issues for me. One is the treatment of JL. He started the season and got us to 8-0, had 2 bad throws and disappeared from sight.
The other is the refusal to pull JJ when he is playing as horrible as he did last night.
Posted on 12/4/11 at 7:02 pm to Tiger JJ
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I really don't care who is the QB. I really don't. Both of these guys have been around a long time and paid their dues and had huge ups and huge downs. My point is that we in the stands have no idea WTF is going on behind the scenes re the situation. And given the fact that games are continually being won by many TD's, why is it such a huge point of contention which one of them plays? I mean, really. Who could possibly care at all?
JJ played like garbage in the first half, you can sugar-coat it if you like but his performance speaks for itself. Throwing high, throwing behind recievers are part of it, but if you go back and watch the game again you will see that when he dropped back to pass, many times he was looking at the pass rush and the LBs instead of scanning the field for his recievers. We have tremendous weapons in Reuben and Beckham that were simply never a factor in the game because of our inability to pass the ball. Would JL have done any better? No way to tell. But if it is that bad against OSU/BAMA in the NC game, its going to make it that much harder to win. JJ usually plays very well in Bowl games, and with a month to prepare I believe he will have a better performance. Many times LSU wins in spite of their QB play, hopefully next year that problem is resolved.
Posted on 12/4/11 at 7:05 pm to novabill
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One is the treatment of JL. He started the season and got us to 8-0, had 2 bad throws and disappeared from sight.
Why does that bother you so much?
Do you feel that way for any other players?
I'm just curious. I don't feel as if he's been "mistreated" personally, so I don't understand why people are so upset about this.
Posted on 12/4/11 at 7:08 pm to OBUDan
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Do you feel that way for any other players?
Can you name any other players that have basically disappeared (not due to injury) after starting 9 games?
Posted on 12/4/11 at 7:11 pm to OBUDan
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I'm just curious. I don't feel as if he's been "mistreated" personally,
He has been. Replacing him with a superior player would be understandable. But in this he was replaced by JJ. Even if he was better in the bama game(he was) it does not compute for JL to disappear given the way JJ plays.
But then again, clearly there is more to this situation than we know. I will be so glad to see JJ graduate and go on to bigger and better things.
Posted on 12/4/11 at 7:11 pm to Powerman
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Usually happens when you can't complete a pass
I really think if JJ hits RR on that first deep play then the offense doesn't struggle in the first half
I don't disagree.
I think both LSU and UGA were going for easy kill shots to demoralize the other team, and it didn't work for either (UGA had some success but once the bubble burst, it was done).
As far as the "not completing" a pass thing, I agree, but what changed in the 2nd half? It's not as if JJ was suddenly tossing it around and softening the defense. Yet, we suddenly were running all over them. So I'm not sure the entire failure of the offense in the first half falls on him.
Posted on 12/4/11 at 7:15 pm to 1984Tiger
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Can you name any other players that have basically disappeared (not due to injury) after starting 9 games?
For 9 games, probably not.
But players "disappear" all the time. Players get recruited, promised PT and never see the field... all the time.
We have multiple true freshman playing over upper class men right now.
Do you feel bad for Ware, who's workload has evaporated in favor of a guy like Hilliard? Do you feel bad for James Wright and Kadron Boone who don't play as much as Odell Beckham Jr.? Why aren't there weekly threads started for their "plight" and "mistreatment?"
Posted on 12/4/11 at 7:15 pm to OBUDan
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So I'm not sure the entire failure of the offense in the first half falls on him.
QB often get more credit than he deserves for a win and also more blame than he deserves for a loss ... goes with the territory.
Posted on 12/4/11 at 7:21 pm to OBUDan
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Do you feel bad for Ware, who's workload has evaporated in favor of a guy like Hilliard?
Ware was suspended for failing a drug test and Hilliard stepped up and has been the more effective runner.
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Do you feel bad for James Wright and Kadron Boone who don't play as much as Odell Beckham Jr.?
OBJ is clearly the better player and earned the starting position from day 1.
So what has JL done to earn basically no playing time, even when the games are out of reach? I have no problem with JJ starting because of what he brings to the table. But unless there's more to the story, I do have an issue with casting JL aside for the past couple of games, particularly when JJ was totally ineffective in the 1st quarter of the UGA game.
Posted on 12/4/11 at 7:22 pm to novabill
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He has been.
How? Because he hasn't really played? I don't think playing or not playing ANYONE is "mistreatment."
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Replacing him with a superior player would be understandable. But in this he was replaced by JJ. Even if he was better in the bama game(he was) it does not compute for JL to disappear given the way JJ plays.
Why do you not think Jefferson is superior? Because he struggled last night? He played like a turd last night, undoubtedly.
But my default is, and always has been, Miles has known both of these guys for 4 years, he's seen them in the weight room, film room, practice, etc. etc. etc. IMO, for a person to have that much exposure to the two players and knowingly play "the worst one" for a team fighting to play for a national championship, is even worse than negligence... it'd be downright reckless stupidity.
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I will be so glad to see JJ graduate and go on to bigger and better things.
And there's the tell... this isn't really about who is better, it's just that you don't like one of them.
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